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  1. #11
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Personally went for the body first since I didn't have all the shafts for the i190 one.

    If you have the Hive weapon, first eso purchase could go either way. If you don't have the Hive weapon, I'd definitely get the eso book first despite its less attractive secondaries.
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  2. #12
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    E'dok Edok
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    Masamune
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    Ninja Lv 70
    As always ^ this man speaks sense, haha.
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  3. #13
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    If you have the Hive weapon, first eso purchase could go either way. If you don't have the Hive weapon, I'd definitely get the eso book first despite its less attractive secondaries.
    I agree with that, it depend where you start.
    If you have the Gogyo Sosei Kai and go for the Antiquated Elements, then you have a huge boost in stat.
    But if you start from the Hive book then the boost is not good (and you lose so much in crit)

    The eso book is good if yours is 170 or 180
    Otherwise, if you have the Hive weapon go for the Body then Hat
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  4. #14
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    Millia Freecss
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    Shiva
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    ok ty for the help^^
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  5. #15
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    PetiteMalFleur's Avatar
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    Viva Diva
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    But if you start from the Hive book then the boost is not good (and you lose so much in crit)
    I'm confused why you say the boost is minimal. The weapon damage upgrade is pretty significant even over the loss of crit. Especially if she's expected to dps in savage as scholar.
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    Tetsu Taru
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 70
    IMO assuming you're capping each week and not doing savage/not getting any drops from savage:
    Week 3: weapon
    Week 4: off ring
    week 5: body
    Week 7: legs
    week 8: boots
    Week 9: hat
    week 10:hand
    week 11: wrist
    week 12: neck
    week 13: ear
    week 14: waist

    based on pure mnd/eso and giving pref to crit when mnd/eso are equivalent.

    Do not sacrifice ilvl for crit. Secondary scale back is drastic.

    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur View Post
    I'm confused why you say the boost is minimal. The weapon damage upgrade is pretty significant even over the loss of crit. Especially if she's expected to dps in savage as scholar.
    If you're in full i190 alex right now + hive weapon youre 100 wd/944 mnd/621 crit.

    Switching out for antiquated elements brings you to 102wd/953mnd/538 crit.

    Guestimating based off the drg stat weights being floated around, wd is worth something close to 9-10 of a primary stat making this an effective gain of ~30 mind for a loss of 1.5% crit chance (11 vs 9.5%).

    The combination of secondary scaleback and the increased gaps between different ilvl gear (meaning there is a bigger boost of mnd/10 ilvls than in 2.xx) means that ilvl is the most important thing.
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    Last edited by ckc22; 08-05-2015 at 09:42 PM.

  7. #17
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    Justin Tymes
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 52
    It depends if you DPS or not. Eso is a straight up DPS increase over Hive. Crit doesn't make up for Mind + Weapon Damage, and Spellspeed is best on a SCH, who can take advantage of the 3.0 buffs the most.

    If you don't Cleric Stance much, you can go for something else.
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    Last edited by Wizarus; 08-05-2015 at 11:32 PM.

  8. #18
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    Corwynt Farrell
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    Leviathan
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur View Post
    I'm confused why you say the boost is minimal. The weapon damage upgrade is pretty significant even over the loss of crit. Especially if she's expected to dps in savage as scholar.
    Well if you have the Hive it is +2 weapons damage and +9 mind, and If you have the 180 chest it is +15 mind. It's fairly close. Also when you factor in the crit on the weapon you get to keep (although you are going to lose it no matter what eventually, until relic) and the slight defense boost of the chest make the chest a decent first buy.

    Also @ckc22 the gordian legs have 94 crit on them and wil be bis, so if you recommend buying order I would consider that.
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    Last edited by Farrell; 08-06-2015 at 12:44 AM.

  9. #19
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    Viva Diva
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Farrell View Post
    Also @ckc22 the gordian legs have 94 crit on them and wil be bis, so if you recommend buying order I would consider that.
    You're looking at 16+9=25 mind versus +15 mind from the chest, assuming 1 wd=8 mind.
    The numbers are actually higher if you go by the strat weights others are throwing out of 20+9=29 with 1 point wd=10 mind. Personally I find that more significant than the crit you lose.

    It is interesting, you are the only person who mentions the legs. I think there are 100 of these threads on reddit all asking about the chest but not legs. They will be bis which makes me wonder how many of these threads are asthetically driven.
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    Last edited by PetiteMalFleur; 08-06-2015 at 01:53 AM.

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  10. #20
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    Litner Lior
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    Lamia
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur View Post
    They will be bis which makes me wonder how many of these threads are asthetically driven.
    Almost all of them, you can just tell that progressing in Alexander Savage isn't on their priority lists from just reading their comments.
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