This is absolutely ridiculous (DPS CHECK RANT)

[kuikui]

Easy now. You act like people are just stumbling around pressing random buttons. "the game doesn't teach them optimal rotations" BS. All job's skills build upon each other and flow from one to the next to a certain degree. At least enough to be able to make conscious decisions about what skills need to be used when. If you have people in your group that absolutely have no clue what they are doing then they are probably young kids, perhaps 10-14 yrs old and are brand new to mmo's. There is no magic optimal formula that would make or break a fight just by ONE person. Elitism just runs too rampant and you people over exaggerate situations. It's all I hear, ALL I HEAR IN EVERY THING SINCE HW is dps fail, dps check, dps too low. All day Alex, dps too low. And on and on until I want to puke.

[Malevicton]

There is no magic optimal formula that would make or break a fight just by ONE person.

Wait are you trying to argue that there's not a situation where 1 bad player can cause a wipe?

[Ryel]

ALL I HEAR IN EVERY THING SINCE HW is dps fail, dps check, dps too low. All day Alex, dps too low. And on and on until I want to puke.

I hate to break it to you, but it's actually been an ongoing complaint since 2.0 launch.

It's why they nerfed Demon Wall in Amdapor Keep.
It's party of why Pharos Sirius was nerfed.
It has been brought up multiple times during the addition of each set of coil turns to the duty Finder.
Players have also made mention of it with the introduction of each new Ex primal.
Steps of Faith would also like a word with you.

And sadly many of the players who have issues aren't as young as you would believe. No, the game does not teach you what the community has determined optimal DPS rotations are as evidenced by the adjustments made to Ninja when the developers themselves were surprised that players were putting out more DPS than they had intended the job to do.

Not all job abilities flow together perfectly and some require more thought on execution than others, and yes plenty of DPS enrage fights can be won or lost by the DPS of ONE player if that player is off by a large enough margin.

I'm sorry you're tired of hearing about this issue, but it's only a testament to how long it's been an ongoing and more evidence that it needs to be addressed in some way as long as the devs continue to balance endgame difficulty around DPS checks.

[Ashkendor]

Steps of Faith would also like a word with you.

Steps of Faith was never a DPS check. You 100% have the DPS to clear it if you do the mechanics correctly. The problem is, most people couldn't be bothered to do the mechanics correctly.

[Ryel]

Steps of Faith was never a DPS check. You 100% have the DPS to clear it if you do the mechanics correctly. The problem is, most people couldn't be bothered to do the mechanics correctly.

You still had to do more than none if i recall before it was adjusted, and party DPS could make up for failing a mechanic (see: dragon killer) however there were many groups that had DPS who did... well I'm not entirely sure what they were doing as Vishap would just happily walk towards the gate and smash it to bits while players were chasing adds.. or something..

But to be fair I'll concede and strike that off of the list.

The rest stands true for the most part.

[Allyrion]

The rest stands true for the most part.

Demon Wall and some of Coil is true.
Pharo Sirius and the Ex primals, that's just talking about more basic competency complaints.

Honestly, except for only certain Coil turns pre-echo, DPS checks were fairly lenient to what we have now.
Even gave rise to things like T2 and other fights where you could bring extra healers just to trivialize it.
Well that was a more extreme case, where the enrage was just a suggestion (T4 too) and actually made the fight easier.

For the most part, while dps had to be good enough, it was mostly in segmented sections and even those weren't as strict as bismark's spine or the snakes (in appropriate gear).
Not saying those are hard, just that the dps checks were more lenient than even those.
Then you have stuff like in Savage, which basically requires you to be putting out top tier dps throughout the whole fight.

Faust as a gatekeeper to Savage is basically a statement that DPS can't get by like they did before.
He expects way more than the average player will do.
Going further in, they have to do mechanics and their rotation optimally.

So this is on a different level than 2.0 when all the encounters call for high dps.
Especially when they all seem to have hard enrages meaning you can't just repeat phases ad infinitum while playing safe.

It's a good change though, in my opinion. It was too lenient overall before.

[Ryel]

Faust as a gatekeeper to Savage is basically a statement that DPS can't get by like they did before.
He expects way more than the average player will do.
Going further in, they have to do mechanics and their rotation optimally.

So this is on a different level than 2.0 when all the encounters call for high dps.
Especially when they all seem to have hard enrages meaning you can't just repeat phases ad infinitum while playing safe.

It's a good change though, in my opinion. It was too lenient overall before.

I agree 100% with this.

My point however was that while yes the DPS requirements of fights were far more lenient in 2.0 than they are now (much more so), there were still a large number of players who were unable to meet those base requirements. The number of Duty Finder runs I've joined where Leviathan Ex has enraged (with a full living party) or Ramuh Ex parties where players just didn't have enough DPS to down adds were surprising.

Even Titan's heart on release was a large DPS check we tend to overlook now with echo and over-gear but at the time of release there were cases of parties of players that managed to survive up to that point in the DF that simply had issues killing it (and no lets not overlook that the larger issues were still dodging before and after the DPS check here), but I'm not saying that the content was by any means difficult because it really wasn't. The issue is that all this time the walls have been getting a little higher with each release (as they should) but with no way for players to gauge themselves going into each new encounter, so like you said less and less players are unable to skate by doing what they were doing before.

Segmented and lenient DPS checks are still DPS checks, what wasn't as apparent for more players before is just becoming more so now, but the complaints were always there.

It's a great change and is good for the health of the game to see increases in difficulty, but there needs to be systems added that go hand in hand with those changes that teach / allow players to improve themselves via in-game means, and sadly striking dummies just don't cut it.