This is absolutely ridiculous (DPS CHECK RANT)

[Sapphic]

It's kind of a Catch-22. Let's be honest for a moment, an in-game parser that could be seen by all party members would be used to attack other players.

Players are being kicked already for underperforming, adding a parser won't change that. It will change that players being kicked will know why if they think they are playing adequately and ignore any advice because they think their way is good enough, then they get a loading screen from being removed from the party. Without parser they will think everyone else was in the wrong. With a parser the rest of the party will be able to say "look, you are the reason we cannot kill this, the numbers prove it. So, try that advice I gave you about your rotation and you will see an improvement."

Do you not think that players may be getting frustrated because they know certain players are underperforming, and they have no way to actually, officially prove that the underperforming player is preventing completion of the duty? They can't help people who are admant they are in the right, and without official parsers they cannot prove it that they need help.

[Zohar_Lahar]

So why do so many players not know an optimal rotation at level 60? Is it a failure of the job quests and in-game tutorials?

[Assirra]

It's kind of a Catch-22. Let's be honest for a moment, an in-game parser that could be seen by all party members would be used to attack other players. That's a fact. Does not matter if this a toxic or non-toxic or whatever community, it's just the way of the world. We all run the instances. Constructive criticism is NOT the norm. Just being real.

At least then the player being kicked KNOWS he did something wrong and has to read up his job.
The current situation is actually a lot worse. Now we have people kicking others on the notion of bad dps.
But how do you know it is true? All of you who are talking about trolls abusing every mechanic in the game, you actually give the trolls a way to abuse.
There is nothing worse than not knowing what happened. Were you kicked because your dps was bad? Were you kicked because of trolls?
With an ingame parser you can shrug it off if it was not your dps after all and report the kickers.

So once again, the people defending this from being implemented, actually currently defending all these "trolls and abusers".

[m3eansean]

So why do so many players not know an optimal rotation at level 60? Is it a failure of the job quests and in-game tutorials?

Yes.

There is literally no class quest that requires the dps to perform optimal rotations to win. They are all exceedingly simple and if you are in the appropriate ilvl gear it feels like you have echo. I figure they thought it would turn away players if the class quests were too hard, but it has manifested as an even bigger problem in the endgame community.

All jobs when reaching 60 (and maybe even 50) should have a very challenging solo encounter, to ensure they can at least play the class correctly in a group environment.

[Erim-Nelhah]

So why do so many players not know an optimal rotation at level 60? Is it a failure of the job quests and in-game tutorials?

That's part of it, yes. Another part may be that while players are trying new things they don't know if what they're trying is better or worse. And then there are players out there who just want to play and don't care if they're performing optimally or not.

Here's the problem, tho: The game itself really can't teach you a perfect rotation, since that changes with updates and such. It could teach a basic rotation, but is that enough? I doubt it. And even then, there would be people who would simply go through the motions when the quest required it and go back to playing the way they want to afterwards.

--Erim Nelhah

[Ryel]

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Not only does it feel like echo but if you fail it enough times they actually do give you echo on top of it I've been told.

[Assirra]

Yes.

There is literally no class quest that requires the dps to perform optimal rotations to win. They are all exceedingly simple and if you are in the appropriate ilvl gear it feels like you have echo. I figure they thought it would turn away players if the class quests were too hard, but it has manifested as an even bigger problem in the endgame community.

All jobs when reaching 60 (and maybe even 50) should have a very challenging solo encounter, to ensure they can at least play the class correctly in a group environment.

The white mage lvl50 was great imo. If all were like that we have a start.

[Tuathaa]

So why do so many players not know an optimal rotation at level 60? Is it a failure of the job quests and in-game tutorials?

Yes and no. The tutorials in my experience so far dont explain the interaction of abilities with other abilities very well. The other is people dont read the tool tips and figure it out.
The game almost makes you look for guides and tutorials either on the forums or fan sites.
Sometimes no matter what you just cant fix stupid but i think those cases arent as common as the inability to. read tool tips

[Zfz]

It's a contradiction in the game design and marketing. FFXIV prides itself on having a lot of people who are playing an MMO for the first time in their whole life. Most of these players are used to just playing things their own way in single-player games. Yet the end-game is all about dps checks as usual.

It's a theme park with some of the main attractions designed for professional athletes yet welcomes everyone to join.

There's only two solutions: create content specifically the two groups separately, i.e. Alexander-Eazy, Primal-Hard, etc.; or try and bring the lower performing group up to the standards of the higher performing group, i.e. official dps parsers.

[Fendred]

Having played all three roles, DD is the most complex to manage. I think Yoshida honestly went overboard with the damage dealer complexity and needs to tone them down a notch on a case by case basis. Ninjas and black mages are perhaps the most polarizing in terms of player skill. I've had multiple FC mates commenting that a ninja is either really good or really bad, but never in between. Having played ninja to 50 I can see why.