How can we make Bards and Machinist better?

[Kaze3434]

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you were the loudest and most frequent voice on the forums saying that both jobs didnt offer any kind of needed utility or dps, and that they were being actively excluded. its pretty hilarious to see you saying you are getting bard up now.

OT, Oration is OP and bad at the same time. if there is no outgoing dmg to the group, toss it on a tank for free mitigation. if there are aoes up the wazoo, then using it is a bad idea. edit- after reading oration again, that 45 second cd is retarded. it would be up for every tank buster.
(most fights atm have unavoidable dmg). after re-reading Requiem, that is retarded overpowered. Full life and no weakness? on a 2 min CD? it is literally a faster, better raise.

stim pack seems interesting, but if im reading it right, it lasts on the ground for 120 seconds? shield seems like a better version of wardens, but again, 2 min cd for free party mitigation? thats too strong.