How can we make Bards and Machinist better?

[DefendPopPunk]

Do people still not realize that groups are clearing Savage with not just a bard or machinist but with BOTH in the party? Stop crying and learn to play your job better. Current leader in world first progression for savage uses a machinst and a bard...


image source: https://twitter.com/elysiumffxiv

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

[RyuDragnier]

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

Woman in front with the gun on her back.

[Fuma]

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

Woman in front with the gun on her back.

^this

/10char

[Gilraen]

Not saying you're wrong but I'm not seeing a machinist in that picture.

Woman in front with the gun on her back.

Can even see the gauss barrel attachment.

[FoxyAreku]

There's been a bard or machinist (sometimes even both, from what I'm hearing) in every competitive savage group so far.

They don't need to be fixed anymore.

I have multiple characters, a character for every class/job I play. I don't do the multi-class/job thing. Sorry dude. :'3

I....what?

That just sounds horrible. I can't even imagine going through the story that many times...surely you at least get cross class skills?

I'm baffled that anyone would choose to play this way!

[SendohJin]

There's been a bard or machinist (sometimes even both, from what I'm hearing) in every competitive savage group so far.

They don't need to be fixed anymore.

people cleared Binding Coil with DRGs, that doesn't mean their low magic defense compared to all the other jobs weren't a problem back in those days. just because people make the most out of something doesn't mean they don't have any problems.

[Daralii]

people cleared Binding Coil with DRGs, that doesn't mean their low magic defense compared to all the other jobs weren't a problem back in those days. just because people make the most out of something doesn't mean they don't have any problems.

Except a bard or machinist have been in EVERY SINGLE PROGRESSION GROUP. They've been as omnipresent as warriors and dragoons.

Machinists have issues with RNG and bards have issues with fluidity, but to pretend they're in some awful shape is flat out ignoring reality. The only job not present in progression at all is astrologian, and there are hundreds of pages on that.

[Kayote]

We. Are. Not. Utility!


... i think ill save this as my sig

[PArcher]

We. Are. Not. Utility!


... i think ill save this as my sig

And if you don't sing, don't be mad when you're excluded. Your utility is why people bring you to a fight.

[Kayote]

And if you don't sing, don't be mad when you're excluded.

I do sing, and Ninja's Goad and Smokescreen, MNK's Mantra, and DRG's Battle Litany ... none lose DPS for it

Your utility is why people bring you to a fight.

Glad you see the problem...