I've permanently solved The Wanderer's Minuet problem...

[Duelle]

Making the change at the base level means you'll be doing the same thing over and over. That's the previous big issue with PLD, since, after reaching level 26, you're on for hours and hours of Rage Of Halone spam, with nothing really new before level 54.

This was never a problem in most cases. PLD being straightforward is not a bad thing.

And pretty much all jobs were changed after 50. DRG with Blood Of The Dragon, BLM with Enochian, SMN with Aethertrail

Blood of the Dragon and Aethertrail are additions to the existing gameplay for those jobs (in fact, SMN's additions are good examples of how you make a job grow with an increased level cap). Enochian is arguable but that's because while it is an addition, its implementation is a bit shaky (which is why some BLMs are asking for QoL changes connected to Enochian).

PLD enjoyed similar growth since we received a DPS combo finisher and a DoT. Our gameplay wasn't turned on its head with the addition of Goring Blade and Royal Authority (or the utility skills we received). We were just given additional tools to do what we already did.

Add your instant straight shot proc, and you'd be closer to BLM gameplay that you are now. Isn't it what BRDs don't want ?

Bloodletter, Venomous Bite (and possibly Windbite), and Misery's End would still be instant cast. Your AoE stuff would still be instant cast as well. Assuming you didn't give Windbite a cast time, your casted shots would be Heavy Shot, Straight Shot, Empyreal Arrow and Sidewinder. I'm not a fan of Iron Jaws (and it wouldn't be needed if both Venomous Bite and Windbite remained instant cast) and would want it changed to something else (probably a 20 second debuff that reduces resistance to piercing with a 45 second cooldown).

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In a perfect world, the whole "less mobility for damage" mentality wouldn't exist and instead BRD's gameplay would have received an addition akin to what the other DPS got instead of having their entire gameplay changed. If only to help make BRD and MCH stand apart form each other instead of sharing elements here and there.

[Reynhart]

This was never a problem in most cases. PLD being straightforward is not a bad thing.

Base on the numerous "PLD is boring" threads, that apparentaly was a bad thing

Blood of the Dragon and Aethertrail are additions to the existing gameplay for those jobs (in fact, SMN's additions are good examples of how you make a job grow with an increased level cap). Enochian is arguable but that's because while it is an addition, its implementation is a bit shaky (which is why some BLMs are asking for QoL changes connected to Enochian).

Wanderer's Minuet is an "addition", too. You can still play without it, and sacrificing some of your DPS. Exactly like a BLM who don't know how to manage Enochian or a DRG with BotD.
In each of this thread, I have the feeling that BRDs feel the need to keep WM 24/7. It's not the case.

PLD enjoyed similar growth since we received a DPS combo finisher and a DoT. Our gameplay wasn't turned on its head with the addition of Goring Blade and Royal Authority (or the utility skills we received). We were just given additional tools to do what we already did.

Let's be honest...PLD is still somehow "boring" to play (Even if I like the job)

Bloodletter, Venomous Bite (and possibly Windbite), and Misery's End would still be instant cast.

I'll give you that. Bloodletter and Misery's End should not be affected by minuet, and should not be considered Weapon Skills, but Abilities.

In a perfect world, the whole "less mobility for damage" mentality wouldn't exist and instead BRD's gameplay would have received an addition akin to what the other DPS got instead of having their entire gameplay changed.

It exists because "less damage for mobility" existed in the first place. In fact, were it for me, BRD wouldn't have that mobility in the first place, since it takes time to aim properly. But they'd be designed for all songs to reduce damage and that, in party situation, you'd always want an active song. Or create more powerful songs, but making any action interrupt the song.

[RiceisNice]

I thought bards did less damage because of support...

#neverconsistent.


Pld would be turned upside their heads if their new combos dps combo required parrying, but you have a shield which competes with parrying. It's an addition that does not give consideration to pld's gameplsy, just as much as WM not considering bard's oGCDs and heavy shot animations.

[Duelle]

Wanderer's Minuet is an "addition", too. You can still play without it, and sacrificing some of your DPS. Exactly like a BLM who don't know how to manage Enochian or a DRG with BotD.

Not really. An addition would be something built on top of the job's existing gameplay (something happening from using your shots in the case of BRD, be it a resource or a rotating buff). BoTD still interacts with the rest of DRG gameplay (said gameplay doesn't change just because BotD enters the picture). Same thing with Enochian, though again that still needs QoL fixes.

Let's be honest...PLD is still somehow "boring" to play

I'll be honest and say, no it isn't.

The same exact logic works for WM. WM builds on something BRDs were already doing anyways (DPSing).

It's not the same. WAR's DPS stance doesn't change much of anything for them. What it does is enhance what used to be them dropping defiance to DPS when off-tanking. It's a QoL change more than anything (chain Fell Cleaves notwithstanding).

[Shurrikhan]

They gave you EA to make up for the auto attack lost.

If EA is needed just to break even, that's a seriously underpowered stance. Luckily since the buff from 20% to 30%, it hasn't been. (Also, IJ is a 140 potency bonus over HS per 18s, whereas EA is only 70 over HS per at least 15s... pretty sure that'd make it the bigger change and main dependency of early WM.)

It's not the same. WAR's DPS stance doesn't change much of anything for them. What it does is enhance what used to be them dropping defiance to DPS when off-tanking. It's a QoL change more than anything (chain Fell Cleaves notwithstanding).

This. Though not likely the reason for the addition, consider how a few warriors complained about the increased TP costs and reduced job-ness of off-tanking (almost everything that makes a Warrior a Warrior being limited to tank stance). Now you simply get to play like a Warrior in both stances, instead of spending OT time as a Marauder. That's a far cry from, say, if your animation times had tripled, making it so you can't 9-hit berserk with the same skill speed that you used to if you even think of oGCDing, which would be a bit more on par with the WM change.