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  1. #131
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    EdwinLi's Avatar
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    Chloe Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Only way for this to work is to take away the damage buff, but allow BRD's to use Empyrean Arrow and Iron Jaws... but then that's pretty much removing WM's entire point.
    Yep that was the main issue the developers were having with increasing Bards Damage.

    Balancing out the ability to increase Bard's damage with their Mobility. They did want to avoid the "Perfect DPS Job Issue Scenario" after all.
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  2. #132
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    Taban's Avatar
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    Taban Highwind
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    Excalibur
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Honestly I've leveled smn and I've been playing it for a bit, but I'm just not feeling it. Maybe I played brd too long and I'm stuck in my ways but it just doesn't feel right. I'll probably stick it out until 3.1 to see if things get better, and if they don't I'll cancel.
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    Am I a butterfly dreaming I'm a man... Or a bowling ball dreaming I'm a plate of sashimi?

  3. #133
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    EdwinLi's Avatar
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    Chloe Li
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    Balmung
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Taban View Post
    Honestly I've leveled smn and I've been playing it for a bit, but I'm just not feeling it. Maybe I played brd too long and I'm stuck in my ways but it just doesn't feel right. I'll probably stick it out until 3.1 to see if things get better, and if they don't I'll cancel.
    You could try build your gathering or crafting for now if DoW and/or DoM Jobs aren't cutting it.

    As of now not much is at lvl 60 since the game doesn't start develeping majority of the lvl 60 contents until 3.1 and beyond.


    3.0 timeframe is just the time to build your character and finding out which Job you'll settle as your Main Job before the waves of lvl 60 content is released in 3.X era on each 2.5 Month Updates.

    Beyond that Endgame players can settle with Alex Savage.

    while Casuals can just take their time with current content.

    Leveling other DoW and DoM Jobs are also opinion for players that want multiple Job choices, yet to choose their Main Job, or to unlock each Job Storyline (Some players do level other Jobs just for the Job storyline).
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    Last edited by EdwinLi; 08-04-2015 at 02:19 PM.

  4. #134
    Player LeeraSorlan's Avatar
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    Leera Katz
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    My only complaint is where you unlock WM in the skilltree. Mchs as well to a lesser extent.New players that choose archer will be playing with instant shots and free movement up untill lvl 52 then suddenly chahge to casting.
    No other jobs change as drastically in there main branch (melee still melee from 1 - 60, healers still heal with casts etc)
    and that will confuse and even put off the newer players, especially if they dont know WM is even a thing.
    Luckily you can switch jobs whenever you want
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  5. #135
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    KaedrianLiang's Avatar
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    Kaedrian Kaeng
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Given the opportunity to play both BRD(56) and MCH(56) for a a few million exp worth of dungeon crawling. Theres a more serious under lying issue with the application of WM. The original bard skills, which are still bread and butter of brd's rotation, were obviously never designed to have a cast time, however MCH skills and overall kit clearly fit with added cast time.

    Devs observing and balancing the brd kit needs to continue.
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    Last edited by KaedrianLiang; 08-04-2015 at 02:41 PM.

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  7. #136
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    Kio Tsukete
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    Faerie
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Only way for this to work is to take away the damage buff, but allow BRD's to use Empyrean Arrow and Iron Jaws... but then that's pretty much removing WM's entire point.
    I would love being able to use EA and IJ outside of WM. I wouldn't even mind keeping WM's interruptible casts in exchange for a damage buff, if SE would just unlock EA and IJ out from under WM.
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  8. #137
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    Izu Shizuoka
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    Phoenix
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    Many if not all Bards hate it, lol
    Only the ones that just refuse to adapt or are not able to for whatever reason, i guess complaining comes easier then learning changes
    Given that there were LOTS of WM threads in the past, yes, many bards hate it
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  9. #138
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    Mizukaru's Avatar
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    Character
    Leif Green
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 90
    I honestly can't see the point to them adding a cast time to these skills. but if there was anything I could ask them to change, it would be the animation while under the effect of Gauss barrel. The animation looks so fucking terrible I can barely stand to look at it. trying to twirl your gun around in to circle motions for every single fucking cast not only looks bad and glitchy, but doesn't even make god damn sense. Please just change the animation to them holding their gun upwards, or aiming down the scope or some shit. not this circus twirling glitch fest. The animator should be shot with his own animation... of course it would miss. BECAUSE NO ONE SPINS A GUN LIKE THAT FOR EVERY SHOT
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  10. #139
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Atomos
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Izularia View Post
    Given that there were LOTS of WM threads in the past, yes, many bards hate it
    It was generally a handful of people each making their own thread and then posting in each others. It looked like it was a "huge uproar", but it really wasn't. You can go back and count the number of unique posters and it's less than 50. I think my last count it was something like 30 people whining with a lot of repeat posts by a very vocal few.

    The forums can never, never be relied upon for judging the amount of people on one side of an issue or the other. Besides the fact that the forums represent maybe 0.001% of the population, people are about 10x more likely to post about something they don't like than they do.
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  11. #140
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    Izularia's Avatar
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    Izu Shizuoka
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    Phoenix
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    It was generally a handful of people each making their own thread and then posting in each others. It looked like it was a "huge uproar", but it really wasn't. You can go back and count the number of unique posters and it's less than 50. I think my last count it was something like 30 people whining with a lot of repeat posts by a very vocal few.

    The forums can never, never be relied upon for judging the amount of people on one side of an issue or the other. Besides the fact that the forums represent maybe 0.001% of the population, people are about 10x more likely to post about something they don't like than they do.
    While I agree with you to a certain extent, I noticed that I meet less bards in content than I used to before Heavensward. Could be because many went Machinists or whatever, but I don't know..

    Looking forward to level my bard beyond 50 myself to see how it is with WM
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