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  1. #331
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikita View Post
    The reasons there is a shortage of lower level gear in the market wards is because:
    Don't forget the 2 biggest reasons I and any new players can't make a lot of gear: The recipes take waaaay too long to make and a large majority of low level items will need high level parts. Shouting for a crafter doesn't work all the time. It took me about 30 minutes to make a hempen acton someone had asked me to make for their newbie friend.

    Also since it seems not many people caught it:

    The "all crafted gear will become required-rank" was a miscommunication on the devs' part. They meant that all crafted gear that involves materials that drop from a NM will become required-rank gear (ie: Dodore Doublet, Silver Tricorne, etc)
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    I dont care how realistic it is or how much it makes sense, I just want a balanced fun game and that is easiest done with a restricted system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbine View Post
    I dont care how realistic it is or how much it makes sense, I just want a balanced fun game and that is easiest done with a restricted system.
    They could accomplish it just as easily by making it so that equipping items below the optimal rank inflicts harsher penalties. Again, as it stands, the penalties are mild at best, and at worst actually bonuses.
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  4. #334
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbine View Post
    I dont care how realistic it is or how much it makes sense, I just want a balanced fun game and that is easiest done with a restricted system.
    its not fun changing jobs when you have to spend 5 minutes re equipping even if you just wanted to spend 30 seconds hitting a node, or 20 seconds repairing someones gear. The game didnt have optimal in alpha, it was universally hated, which is logical with the armory system.

    but since they said they arent actually killing optimal, and it was a communication errror, it aint that big a deal
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  5. #335
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    Mikita Nightsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estellios View Post
    Don't forget the 2 biggest reasons I and any new players can't make a lot of gear: The recipes take waaaay too long to make and a large majority of low level items will need high level parts. Shouting for a crafter doesn't work all the time. It took me about 30 minutes to make a hempen acton someone had asked me to make for their newbie friend.
    I do see your point and agree that it could turn off many people.

    I think the reason of parts rank imbalance is why Square Enix is revising the recipes in 1.19, so that should simplify things for a lot of new players.

    I think Square Enix had the idealistic vision of "encouraging" interaction between players to drive the economy and community. That's probably we have a lot of the current systems.
    Unfortunately, many people see the "encouragement" as more "forced" or "troublesome" processes.

    I applaud you for going through the trouble of making the hempen acton.
    Did you make a new acquaintance or even a new friend in the process?
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  6. #336
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    A new acquaintance yes, that friend of a friend =P I did end up having some extra materials left over for a few more actons because I was afraid I would fail it since my clothcraft skill is pretty low. I priced them quite fairly, 5k when i think they cost around 2k each to craft, and it took a while but they eventually did all sell.

    You are right about their vision of the economy. While it's admirable and sounds good on paper, the implementation was far from ideal. When we had a lot of players in the LS at launch, many of them were crafting like mad to get an edge on making a profit, but were ultimately frustrated that they could barely make any kind of finished product without leveling 2-3 more crafts either for a sub craft requirement or the materials were simply unavailable because they were ridiculously high level. I know it took weeks for blacksmiths to get any new tools because they all required a very high level material (I think iron?) that was absolutely impossible to get immediately near launch. It's incredibly disheartening being a low rank crafter and being absolutely unable to help out any friends, let alone yourself.
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  7. #337
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    Tell that to the new players, thanks. Gil is an issue for new players, especially there are body, pants, belt, gloves, boots, hat, 4 x ring, 2 x bracelet, 1 x choker, 2 x earring, 1 x main hand, 1 x throwing and potential 1 x offhand / ammo.

    For instance, as a new player in FFXI I find it hard to believe the cheapest price for lvl 10 knuckle = entire gil I've made from grinding my MNK to lvl 14...
    You do understand that there 12 point limit right? So i don't even know what you saying it's a lot. I have 1earring 1neck and 4rings that my 12points. Top of that who said you need to buy them all to do your job in a leve? I reroll and i made 1mil getting 1-36 and getting other class high level and i still buy full set of gear without issue. So gil is no issue in this game the issue is finding the gear to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenaku View Post
    You do understand that there 12 point limit right? So i don't even know what you saying it's a lot. I have 1earring 1neck and 4rings that my 12points. Top of that who said you need to buy them all to do your job in a leve? I reroll and i made 1mil getting 1-36 and getting other class high level and i still buy full set of gear without issue. So gil is no issue in this game the issue is finding the gear to begin with.
    You bought one set of gear, precisely why you get 1m. If gears are r restricted, you don't buy 1 set, you buy 1 set every 5 ranks. 36/5 = 7 sets. And you are not a new player, new players =/= reroll, new players aint exactly the people who know how to optimise gil grind.

    Yes, you do need to buy them all. Otherwise, why would you want them rank restricted in the first place if all you are going to do is skip them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MariyaShidou View Post
    You bought one set of gear, precisely why you get 1m. If gears are r restricted, you don't buy 1 set, you buy 1 set every 5 ranks. 36/5 = 7 sets. And you are not a new player, new players =/= reroll, new players aint exactly the people who know how to optimise gil grind.

    Yes, you do need to buy them all. Otherwise, why would you want them rank restricted in the first place if all you are going to do is skip them?
    o.o you joking right? listen in FFXI if i was going to party for a long time. I wont buy any gear so i go from 10-15 2+hours then when party disband i buy new set of gear for whatever level i was. There no reason for people to buy every set of gear and hold on too them. If you want to be that stupid and waste your money to buy every set of gear then that there issue for not having enough money. Seeing how it easy to get level up in FFXIV you set a goal for today if you get 10 level you go and buy a new set of gear. The next day you do that again no need to buy a new set every few levels that a waste of gil and time you wasting to go and look for new gear if you can even find them due to craft not making them.

    But w/e i had enough with this issue if people can't see it then w/e i'll play the game and deal with it too SE find a better way then what there doing,.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenaku View Post
    o.o you joking right? listen in FFXI if i was going to party for a long time. I wont buy any gear so i go from 10-15 2+hours then when party disband i buy new set of gear for whatever level i was. There no reason for people to buy every set of gear and hold on too them. If you want to be that stupid and waste your money to buy every set of gear then that there issue for not having enough money. Seeing how it easy to get level up in FFXIV you set a goal for today if you get 10 level you go and buy a new set of gear. The next day you do that again no need to buy a new set every few levels that a waste of gil and time you wasting to go and look for new gear if you can even find them due to craft not making them.

    But w/e i had enough with this issue if people can't see it then w/e i'll play the game and deal with it too SE find a better way then what there doing,.
    Precisely because people skip gears that we don't need gears rank restricted. Maybe you're joking, otherwise I don't understand what's the point of painfully waiting for r30 gears while grinding with r1 gears due to gil optimisation is fun, when instead you can wear r30 gears and doing the exact same thing (albeit with gimped stat due to under optimal rank)?

    Tl;dr: You are getting gimped with rank restricted. You are not getting gimped with optimal.
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