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  1. #101
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    ArcheDragon's Avatar
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    Archen Galmoren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiloni View Post
    My question was, why are you so averse to doing both? You keep making up all these numbers to avoid casting one skill at the start of the dungeon. Why do you feel so strongly about not doing the most you can as a healer? Why is dps so important but preventing damage via buffs is not? It's honestly rather strange.
    DPS > protect as damage mitigation. I'm also trying to finish this dungeon without stalling the group by switching protect in when it isn't necessary. Why is protect necessary to do everything you can as a healer? If it has zero impact on the run, then why not start the run earlier and finish it faster?

    And I agree about causing less raucous but I don't think we should just sit by and let the tanks tell the healers how to do their job. That is bullying and I won't stand for it. If they don't want to argue then they could possibly just attempt to run the dungeon and see for themselves how possible it is to accomplish anything in this game without 2% damage mitigation!
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  2. #102
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    Justin Tymes
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    I don't see how Protect can be anywhere near as a 10% damage increase in low level content. Content where I, as an SCH, can tank the dungeon without protect. Healing is overpowered there, so additional 1-2% mitigation is trivial.
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  3. #103
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    Yorumi Eienyuki
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    We're really at the point where it's now bullying to ask someone to cast protect. Yeah I think this discussion has run it's course and then some.
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  4. #104
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    Leiloni Kahu
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcheDragon View Post
    And I agree about causing less raucous but I don't think we should just sit by and let the tanks tell the healers how to do their job. That is bullying and I won't stand for it.
    You're kidding right? Please tell me this is a joke. He asked nicely if you could cast Protect and when you argued with him that dpsing was a better idea, he politely left instead of telling you how to play. He respectfully disagreed with you. If he was bullying you, he would have stayed in the dungeon and argued with you but he didn't.
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  5. #105
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    Emarial Artayu
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArcheDragon View Post
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    it becomes necessary in later content just remember that
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  6. #106
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    Fynlar Eira
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    And this is literally only a problem in the first two dungeons when you have just one cross class slot (if you're leveled down in DF). By the time you hit Copperbell it's a non issue since you can equip both.
    Not for me, because my 2nd slot goes to Aero.

    Why do you feel so strongly about not doing the most you can as a healer? Why is dps so important but preventing damage via buffs is not? It's honestly rather strange.
    Because better DPS both prevents damage AND quickens the dungeon.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post

    Because better DPS both prevents damage AND quickens the dungeon.
    Protect = 1 cast, 30 min, lessens damage from all hits you have to cast it once every 30 minutes unless someone dies or the party wipes for whatever reason, preventing damage via buffs is JUST as important as dpsing, if you don't use protect in later content, nobody willwant to raid or dungeon with you, i can guarantee that, its just plain stupid not to have protect up if you're a healer mid-end game, if you don't have protect up, people will ask for it just do both, use protect and dps.
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  8. #108
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingsOfAzrael View Post
    if you don't use protect in later content, nobody willwant to raid or dungeon with you, i can guarantee that, its just plain stupid not to have protect up if you're a healer mid-end game
    Everyone is discussing Protect in the context of the lowest level dungeons. I don't think anyone advocates running around without Protect in higher level duties.
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  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurum View Post
    I'd say for any dungeon sub-30 it's pretty much optional. Bray, however, is the first dungeon where the difficulty ramps up a bit and the 10% damage reduction isn't something I'd run without if there were new people in the party, especially if either of them was the tank or the healer.
    Except that it's not 10%. It's 5. And at that level, the fairy still makes up for it.
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  10. #110
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leiloni View Post
    You're kidding right? Please tell me this is a joke. He asked nicely if you could cast Protect and when you argued with him that dpsing was a better idea, he politely left instead of telling you how to play. He respectfully disagreed with you. If he was bullying you, he would have stayed in the dungeon and argued with you but he didn't.
    If you don't consider the topic to be important then you are free to stop discussing it.

    Here is some advice on being respectful. If you're ever inclined to ignore a problem and just ditch people that you signed up to do something with, be sure to discuss your problem first. It should be clear to most people that the respectful thing is not to ignore it and walk away, that is the option of the weak minded and the lazy. It should also be pointed out that if your idea of "asked nicely" is "protect?" then you should seek to revise your definition of "nice".
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