How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Thendiel]

Could you elaborate a little on this skill speed soft cap? Does something gloom 'n doom happen rotation-wise if you go over 652 skill speed? Or is the diminishing returns just severe enough that getting more skill speed past that point isn't worthwhile?

When you hit a GCD of 2.38 seconds-ish, what happens is, you'll reach a Dis-CT transition or VT-FT transition before the one-minute mark when BotD comes off cooldown. This severely messes with BotD/GK balancing, forcing you to either stagger your Geirskogul use in a sub-optimal way, or wait a fraction of a second beyond the GCD mark for BotD to become available. This is in contrast to the super-smooth timing we get with a 2.40 second GCD.

[Noxotic]

So I just wanted to try and clarify something, at 595 skill speed I have a GCD of 2.41. I thought 590 was needed for 2.4?

[pandabearcat]

Hey guys, running the sim with random durations, here are the surprising stat weight results for SKS:

WD 1.0000
SKS 0.1348
STR 0.1339
CHR 0.0177
DET 0.0150

Enjoy ^^.

Why is this the case? No clue. I suggest first and foremost that the GCD formula may be incorrect. Furthermore stuffing 2 GCDs may be affecting the sim. Oh well.
You'll be able to test more next week when the next release comes.

[whiskeybravo]

So I just wanted to try and clarify something, at 595 skill speed I have a GCD of 2.41. I thought 590 was needed for 2.4?

I had 587 with 2.4 gcd, but it wasn't enough to be able to burn GK at 21 sec and maintain BotD. I need at least 22 sec otherwise it falls off right before I can use 4th ability.

[spelley]

I had 587 with 2.4 gcd, but it wasn't enough to be able to burn GK at 21 sec and maintain BotD. I need at least 22 sec otherwise it falls off right before I can use 4th ability.

At this level of precision, latency/lag is a real concern. Some people might need 2.38 or so before they can cleanly get the rotation off.

[Jonnycbad]

Also might be an issue with queing/clipping GCD i.e. hitting the key a few tenths of a second before the ability is actually back up.

[whiskeybravo]

Also might be an issue with queing/clipping GCD i.e. hitting the key a few tenths of a second before the ability is actually back up.

Idk about that, I mean really it's almost like it accepts that I hit 4th but then BotD and the proc buff fall off before it executes the action/animation and it cancels it. To me it feels like a rounding problem, like the timer reads 21 sec but it's actually 20.5. Because it's literally like 1/2 sec from being able to execute. 21 sec should be enough time, even 20.5 theoretically should be. But for whatever reason it screws me at 21 sec. I don't usually have lag problems, using hardwired cat 6 with 50mbps connection.

[Kaiu]

As a new DRG, I'm unsure if Det or Crit has higher returns. I've built a set using Ariyala's that seems to have more Det than the builds I've seen, but less Crit, and just wondering how viable it is. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R5AZ

620 Acc for higher savage runs if my static can ever work towards it (I'm unsure of acc requirements for back / flank in higher savages and a quick search didn't pull any immediate results)
733 Crit, which is lower than I've seen other builds
594 Det, which is higher than I've seen
590 SkS, which seems to be about where I want for 2.4.

If anyone has any input, namely on stat weights for crit vs dex, it would be greatly appreciated.

[HeavensSword]

As a new DRG, I'm unsure if Det or Crit has higher returns. I've built a set using Ariyala's that seems to have more Det than the builds I've seen, but less Crit, and just wondering how viable it is. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/R5AZ

620 Acc for higher savage runs if my static can ever work towards it (I'm unsure of acc requirements for back / flank in higher savages and a quick search didn't pull any immediate results)
733 Crit, which is lower than I've seen other builds
594 Det, which is higher than I've seen
590 SkS, which seems to be about where I want for 2.4.

If anyone has any input, namely on stat weights for crit vs dex, it would be greatly appreciated.

If you look at the first page and scroll down a bit you'll see the most recent weights:

Dragoon Weights - 22/07/2015
WD: 10.625
STR: 1
DET: 0.139
CRT: 0.162
SS: 0.104

[Kaiu]

If you look at the first page and scroll down a bit you'll see the most recent weights:

Thanks, I remember skimming the first few pages as I was mostly just learning rotation and the numbers were daunting. Thanks for the answer.