How to Dragoon Per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[Dragonpuff]

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The reason I ask is because I was playing around with possible BiS setups for dragoon on Ariyala using the stat weights in the OP and pandabearcat's dragoon sim and this is the best possible set I could come up with. It's worth noting I played around with swapping out the boots and the spear, and doing either netted about a 40 dps loss by the sim. My only concern is it's a bit higher than the soft cap mentioned in the OP, but I assume it's still within the acceptable range because trying to find stat weights with that value reveals that adding skill speed actually decreases dps.

I guess it could also be a quirk with the sim, but until I see some compelling evidence otherwise I think this is what i'm gonna shoot for personally.

[enil]

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The default rotation for DRG that the sim came with was slightly incorrect - I'm not sure if this has been fixed or you customized it yourself but you might want to make sure it's doing the rotation correctly. Are you using the sim's new feature of a randomised fight time (and what sim time were you using)? SkS dps gain is heavily impacted by how many extra GCD's it get's you - a short enough fight may not even give you any extra GCD's or a fixed fight time might be biased to either gaining or losing a GCD.

edit: fight jitter hasn't been implemeted, you might want to do test manually by varying sim time to see the average weighting for SkS.

[Dervy]

and doing either netted about a 40 dps loss by the sim. My only concern is it's a bit higher than the soft cap mentioned in the OP, but I assume it's still within the acceptable range because trying to find stat weights with that value reveals that adding skill speed actually decreases dps.

Yup. Skillspeed is a huge loss after 660 SS. And I believe it was Enil who found an issue with how SimFF handles DoT clipping with the DRG rotation.

Anyway, I've updated OP with a new Skillspeed Damage Mod.

EDIT: Between 652 -> 754ish Skillspeed, you'll be on a deficit for each point of SS to gain

[Viridiana]

Yup. Skillspeed is a huge loss after 660 SS. And I believe it was Enil who found an issue with how SimFF handles DoT clipping with the DRG rotation.

Anyway, I've updated OP with a new Skillspeed Damage Mod.

Dervy's back!

*Gestures towards SimFF thread*

>_>

[Jonnycbad]

Likely diminishing returns. It also means you're likely crit/det starved.

The good news is, since we get to the sweet spot of skillspeed so easily now at i190, i'm sure by the time we hit the 3.0 ilvl gear cap of like 230 or whatever, we won't need more than maybe 2-3 pieces with skillspeed on them. Then we can load up on det/crit once we're acc capped.

[LiquidSwordz]

I decided to buy the pants with my esos since they gave me the biggest stat boost. Since weapon is not BiS I decided to wait at least since I have never needed a tome weapon for progression. I figured I would upgrade pieces in order to maintain a 2.39 recast for SS and increase ACC needed for Savage. I have all NM Alex drops and that's why pants made sense since the Alex pants would of been just ACC and SS. Was it a wise choice to make? I think I may go for boots next for the extra 20 ACC then choker and ring to maintain stats.

[Noxotic]

So I just wanted to try and clarify something, at 595 skill speed I have a GCD of 2.41. I thought 590 was needed for 2.4?

[whiskeybravo]

So I just wanted to try and clarify something, at 595 skill speed I have a GCD of 2.41. I thought 590 was needed for 2.4?

I had 587 with 2.4 gcd, but it wasn't enough to be able to burn GK at 21 sec and maintain BotD. I need at least 22 sec otherwise it falls off right before I can use 4th ability.

[spelley]

I had 587 with 2.4 gcd, but it wasn't enough to be able to burn GK at 21 sec and maintain BotD. I need at least 22 sec otherwise it falls off right before I can use 4th ability.

At this level of precision, latency/lag is a real concern. Some people might need 2.38 or so before they can cleanly get the rotation off.

[pandabearcat]

Hey guys, running the sim with random durations, here are the surprising stat weight results for SKS:

WD 1.0000
SKS 0.1348
STR 0.1339
CHR 0.0177
DET 0.0150

Enjoy ^^.

Why is this the case? No clue. I suggest first and foremost that the GCD formula may be incorrect. Furthermore stuffing 2 GCDs may be affecting the sim. Oh well.
You'll be able to test more next week when the next release comes.