The one consistent critic on Heavensward is "too much like ARR"? srsly?

[AlexionSkylark]

As per title... what the actual F?

Like... I really don't get what kind of complaint is that. Heavensward is an expansion to an already established game. Did you guys expect what, a jump thesize of the one form FFXI to FFXIV 1.0? or 1.0 to 2.0?

Every MMO in existance launches expansions that, are, in a nutshell, some tweaks in gameplay, and the addition of new maps, quests, storylines, dungeons and aybe a new class/race, and perhaps a new gimmick or 2. Nobody ever complains about them saying "it's too much like the original game". Well OF COURSE IT IS, it's not a new game, it's the same game with added content.

Sometimes ppl seem like they strive REAL HARD to complain about something... Really, I do not understand where this is coming from.

[RyuRoots]

Maybe I just don't trawl general discussion often enough, but the first time I've seen this specific alleged criticism is your post. Most criticisms I see are about the Heavensward-specific job changes/adjustments, the red scrip system, and customization options or lack thereof in specific cases.

[Mhikail]

I don't think anyone wanted a 'new game' I think people wanted something more exciting than to literally do the same sh!t we did back in 2.0.
Literally, doing the same things we did in 2.0, same patterns and all. It's not all that fun.
Right now, I give HW a 7/10. The new jobs are kinda meh and they still didn't fix housing...we have an FC ship thing and A LOT of FC's don't have a house. They're waiting too long to fix jobs that people keep saying major issues.
You don't need a damn Savage mode to tell you that jobs are messed up. Bards incredibly unhappy, DRK's waiting on tweaks forever, AST's are pretty much hated end-game,
MCH kinda sucks, crafters are screwed up the behind, no one wants to PvP because of stupid GC restrictions again.
Running 2 dungeons, over and over and over again like we did in 2.0. Primals...locked behind PF bleh, a raid, and a EX raid...
The only thing I really enjoyed in 3.0 rather 2.0 was the storyline. Not a fan on the dungeons, except the Gubal place. Then again, I never played an MMO with expansions and all like this before so
I guess this is how it goes. I know this is just the beginning...of course there will be more things and stuff to do but I'd hope
there's something to really go "Oh wow!" about. It's just the beginning but I already sense the same lame pattern we did in 2.0. If this continues, then I hope 4.0
does something really amazing. I'm not liking how predictable this is going.

Just my 2 cents and all and a rant. -Holds flame shield, sword and suit.;

[Laerune]

I have to agree with the critics here, aside from flying and making the zones bigger, what new feature have we realy seen in HW? I love HW and I have enjoyed the story. But aside from the new classes, new skills and lenght of the storyline, to me this feels more like a patch then a expansion.

[Kassiekane]

I have to agree with the critics here, aside from flying and making the zones bigger, what new feature have we realy seen in HW? I love HW and I have enjoyed the story. But aside from the new classes, new skills and lenght of the storyline, to me this feels more like a patch then a expansion.

That's precisely the point. An expansion makes the game bigger, nothing else.

[Allyrion]

I'm completely fine with them sticking to the same formula, since I never found it broken or boring.

The interesting parts are how things work within the pattern. Interesting battles, animations, story, new skills.
That's all they need to keep fresh for me.

I only wish Stats were more interesting and more customizable (just minor focus builds, like a crit or SS build etc).
Customization on the same gear, mind you. Not hording different sets.

Honestly, they've added a lot but the gear treadmill has the same pattern.
Except for Alexander Normal. But I'm happy they're not changing it, because I've seen games go through phases.
Sometimes I'm interested, sometimes I'm not, because it's a different game at times.

I've always liked FF's formula and I've been happy with what gets added on to it.
So the consistency is a plus for me.

[myahele]

I think people have just been spoiled by the patches we receive every < 3 months; if flying, larger zones, lv increase + new abilities, SM Alexander in just 3.0X alone is not enough then I don't know what is

[Goodberry]

I have seen (and often done) all kinds of complaints against MMOs, but this is the first time I see a game accused of being too like ITSELF.

Be thankful that at SE they seem to follow the "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" wisdom. Not everyone does that, and you see perfectly working games literally ruined by expansions.

[Catwho]

I've seen this complaint in a few places. They wanted to expand the game, not evolve it. They already remade it once - if you were expecting 2.0 -> 3.0 to be something radically different like 1.23 -> 2.0 was, then you were probably quite disappointed.

The counterargument to this is how Abyssea in XI radically altered gameplay, and half the population got pissed and left.

[Sapphic]

I have seen (and often done) all kinds of complaints against MMOs, but this is the first time I see a game accused of being too like ITSELF.

FFXIV is a clone of FFXIV!

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