Bard questions.

[Maero]

Like a forum join date is a indication of how much experience or how long someone has been playing Bard.... lol
Some of you obviously do not know Bards from top Tier groups who have had world first clears and such, the majority have adapted to Wm and love it.
Oh yeah and were are these top tier Bard players i am talking about? Well raiding Savage, enjoying it and not bitching...

[Medieval]

Like a forum join date is a indication of how much experience or how long someone has been playing Bard.... lol
Some of you obviously do not know Bards from top Tier groups who have had world first clears and such, the majority have adapted to Wm and love it.
Oh yeah and were are these top tier Bard players i am talking about? Well raiding Savage, enjoying it and not bitching...

There is no correlation between clearing content and being happy with WM. There is also no correlation between using the forums and raiding in savage.

[Aiselia]

Oh yeah and were are these top tier Bard players i am talking about? Well raiding Savage, enjoying it and not bitching...

So you take it upon yourself to come here and speak for them, making your statement actually irrelevant and just as useless as anybody else's because we don't know if you're telling the truth.

Alsooooooo....

Now here's a thought, for people who claim they like the changes or that other people like the changes: What do they actually like? Would they be mad if the cast times were removed but everything else, i.e. damage boost and skill functions, stayed the same? If yes, why would you roll a Bard to begin with if you prefer casting?

Do they love the changes, or do they tolerate the changes because they love the new skills and damage boost it brings?

If anyone can honestly say they love having casting times added to a class designed around not having casting times and the various objective problems it brought, then I'd have to consider them strange for playing a Bard when they clearly meant to roll BLM or SMN because they didn't have the cast times they love for 2 years and 52 levels.

[Rafaelhades]

If anyone can honestly say they love having casting times added to a class designed around not having casting times and the various objective problems it brought, then I'd have to consider them strange for playing a Bard when they clearly meant to roll BLM or SMN because they didn't have the cast times they love for 2 years and 52 levels.

Why? It could be as simple as liking the "flavour" of using a bow/gun. I like WM/GB, as it gives me the option to switch on the fly, and I don't mind the cast times, but I hated levelling BLM. Yes, they do more dmg, but BLM bored (and still bores) me. I have a rl friend who's a 60BLM and I log on to his character when he's away and needs to cap tomes and playing it just puts me to sleep. But optimizing BRD/MCH and finding out whether a certain situation calls for being in or dropping out of WM/GB is a lot more intersting to me.

[dragoelete]

Why? It could be as simple as liking the "flavour" of using a bow/gun. I like WM/GB, as it gives me the option to switch on the fly, and I don't mind the cast times, but I hated levelling BLM. Yes, they do more dmg, but BLM bored (and still bores) me. I have a rl friend who's a 60BLM and I log on to his character when he's away and needs to cap tomes and playing it just puts me to sleep. But optimizing BRD/MCH and finding out whether a certain situation calls for being in or dropping out of WM/GB is a lot more intersting to me.

then why don't they leave guass barrel on MCH (since that class was literally made with that skill in mind) and either remove WM from bard or change the new skill where WM isn't required. that's literally the only reason i refuse to lvl my archer into bard right now. i don't like being forced into a combat style in order to use all the skills available to me.

[Medieval]

Why? It could be as simple as liking the "flavour" of using a bow/gun. I like WM/GB, as it gives me the option to switch on the fly, and I don't mind the cast times, but I hated levelling BLM. Yes, they do more dmg, but BLM bored (and still bores) me. I have a rl friend who's a 60BLM and I log on to his character when he's away and needs to cap tomes and playing it just puts me to sleep. But optimizing BRD/MCH and finding out whether a certain situation calls for being in or dropping out of WM/GB is a lot more intersting to me.

I'd be fine with just not using WM if A. It wasn't such a large dps loss, and B. The two best skills weren't locked behind it.

[Rafaelhades]

It would be a large DPS loss if BRDs who didn't use WM at all were outdamaging BRDs who were stance dancing. The only issue I've experienced under WM is the OCD that you develop levelling BRD to 50 in 2.0, because when that Bloodletter resets while casting, your anxiety level rises through the roof. I also don't think BRD is "forced" into a certain playstyle any more than the other jobs. I don't see WARs complaining that Fell Cleave isn't usable under Defiance (healers do that enough for both roles). It's a stance. You go in, you go out.

If it's a personal issue with change and it just doesn't suit your playstyle any more, that's fair. Despite loving Rogue classes and liking NIN, I don't think it feels "Assassin" enough, due to the non-combat stealth and only 1 skill working off of stealth and no real "backstab/burst" skills. But I won't rail against SE to change NIN to suit my personal taste. That's just me though.

[Rikkustrife]

It is pointless to say that one group is a minority over the other because we really do not know, and unless a large survey is done no one would have a way of knowing.

I think they just make empyreal arrow and iron jaws able to be used without wanderer's minuet, that would please both people.
I don't think it would be a big dps loss if those 2 abilities were usable outside of wanderer's minuet, with being able to attack while moving, auto attacks, 2 off global cooldown abilities being able to be used between each gcd, and empyreal arrow not delaying a gcd. Though the gap may widen with higher gear levels.
At least people would have a choice and choices are always good.