Done with AST

[Rahaya]

AST is very capable of doing A1S. I healed through Faust w/ it. Couldn't get further b/c AST dps is too low though, lol. I had to switch back to SCH.

Also, Celestial Opposition works on Lightspeed. I have less MP problems playing the class after the buffs.

The class is still inferior to WHM/SCH, and Selene is better at buffing than the supposed buff class.

The Selene napkin math I find a bit questionable. Namely 3% haste != 3% damage increase, as it doesn't affect DoTs or OGCDs. It's up 50% of the time if Selene is on Sic, but that also means it isn't timed for burst phases, and you can't use Eos in order to have it. Depending on party makeup, Selene is negligible. But no one cares about that, they'd rather assume the inflated DPS contribution instead.

Literally all that's left to fix on AST is Nocturnal Sect and Celestial Opposition. And adjusting Shuffle to not draw the same card.

[Vlady]

Let them go back to scholar. Some people just expect a job to be over powered because it's new. Astro is fine and heals as well as rubber other heales.

[MidnightTundra]

Let them go back to scholar. Some people just expect a job to be over powered because it's new. Astro is fine and heals as well as rubber other heales.

Either you don't have a 60 SCH or you're fine being the "balanced" guy compared to an "overpowered" guy. I'm an i187 AST and I pretty much pour everything into this class. Why? Because it's really, really fun. Fun > all for me at this point. As an AST and a SCH, I don't ignore what my SCH is capable of and what my AST is capable of.

There's only so much you can do with AST compared to SCH. I don't have an instant AoE heal. I don't have oGCD damage nukes. I don't have a pet healing every GCD. I don't have the AoE or single target damage potential as a SCH. I can't mitigate damage anywhere near what a SCH can.

As an AST, I have mobile healing and random buffs. I'm the only healer who can grant TP/MP. I'm the only healer who can reduce oGCDs. I can't think of anything else to be honest.

I feel like we're sacrificing too much just because we have these random buffs. I like playing cards in battle when I'm healing and DPSing. I like the RNG and the player-based management of the cards. I do not like that I'm being held back because the developers gave me cards. I do not like that I work twice as hard as my SCH (which is fun for me) and I look at my parser and see my AST either behind in HPS or DPS.

AST is not ideal in Raid (People like strong mitigation and DPSing healers), Dungeons (Pet and Bane. Period.) or Trials (Pet allows a lot of room to DPS).

I've made AST work because healing has been really easy so far. I've made it work because it's fun as hell. People aren't arguing the fact that AST isn't fine. They're arguing the fact that the other healers are better because you're in direct competition for a slot with them.

[Nasrin]

Literally all that's left to fix on AST is Nocturnal Sect and Celestial Opposition. And adjusting Shuffle to not draw the same card.

Would literally kill for these to be fixed :3

[Vlady]

Astro is not inferior to the other jobs. It's this false spread of nis info in a attempt to bring more buffs to a job that doesnt need it that irks me.

[QUOTE=MidnightTundra;3186620]Either you don't have a 60 SCH or you're fine being the "balanced" guy compared to an "overpowered" guy. I'm an i187 AST and I pretty much pour everything into this class. Why? Because it's really, really fun. Fun > all for me at this point. As an AST and a SCH, I don't ignore what my SCH is capable of and what my AST is capable of.

There's only so much you can do with AST compared to SCH. I don't have an instant AoE heal. I don't have oGCD damage nukes. I don't have a pet healing every GCD. I don't have the AoE or single target damage potential as a SCH. I can't mitigate damage anywhere near what a SCH can.

And white mage does not have a pet that can provide a constant stream of heals along with the 3% haste buff every 30 seconds either. What astro brings is the best short cooldown instant cast heal in the game with upwards of 1000 potency if you learn to time it right. A powerful double tank healer cooldown that astro's have used for A1 and A2 savage mode to deal with double tank buster and healing debuff from dolls and we have the ability to up a dragoon's dps on burst phases by 400 dps or more if you coordinate your buff cards with your dps it is literally the best damage buff in the game that exponentially adds 10% dps buff to blood and rage strikes. Between synastry and lightspeed we are very powerful aoe healers being able to hit 3k-3500 hps (unless they nerfed aoe heals to Synasty. Have not tried it yet) so yes Astrologians are as strong of a healer as scholar and white mage.

[MidnightTundra]

Astro is not inferior to the other jobs. It's this false spread of nis info in a attempt to bring more buffs to a job that doesnt need it that irks me.

I don't want to offended you but in all honesty, what do you bring to a raid? I do want your input and I want you convince me. I will thoughtfully attempt to counter your argument with my somewhat extensive experience between SCH and AST in Heavensward.

[Rahaya]

I don't want to offended you but in all honesty, what do you bring to a raid? I do want your input and I want you convince me. I will thoughtfully attempt to counter your argument with my somewhat extensive experience between SCH and AST in Heavensward.

The problem is that people expect AST to bring something *over* the other jobs, which by definition means AST has to be stronger to 'justify' ditching a job. That's not the point. The point is being able to choose a healer for your class comp, and still progress.

And the one you quoted already gave examples.

[MidnightTundra]

The problem is that people expect AST to bring something *over* the other jobs, which by definition means AST has to be stronger to 'justify' ditching a job. That's not the point. The point is being able to choose a healer for your class comp, and still progress.

And the one you quoted already gave examples.

If the AST doesn't have a clear strength, there's no need to bring it. WHM + SCH work so well together because they compliment each other. If the WHM can handle the bulk of the healing for the time being, the SCH can lay waste in his personal DPS along with his pet curing and provide party-wide utility. AST can't really lay waste in terms of personal DPS because i'll oom myself. Take Lucrezia's A2 savage video. What is their SCH doing? Decimating the adds with Dots>Bane + Shadow Flare and Miasma II. You can't put out consistent AoE damage on AST because it is too heavy on your M. Pool.

I also apologize, I didn't notice the edited post.

[Rahaya]

If the AST doesn't have a clear strength, there's no need to bring it.

SCH + AST is the top party buffing combination for DPS. A2 clear with AST https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWfPcG43yrA for example. If your party composition is not optimal for Selene (*cough* SMN *cough*) and it runs up your TP bill, or you'd much rather time DPS buffs for burst phases rather than a passive haste, AST works better. It's the only healer that can grant TP/MP. Synastry is amazeballs. Single target AST DPS isn't too shabby. Perhaps the WHM isn't god tier and can't shoulder all of the healing burden. AST would be contributing DPS anyway, where my SCH would be babysitting.

How about, it's fun?

AST is not perfect right now, but a lot of the complaints about it that I've seen are a bit off base.

I don't think it needs to bring something OVER either of the other two - different and comparable would be fine, but at the moment we lack noticeable comparability unique or otherwise. I'd like to see another emergency heal for one thing.

You should see a large number of the proposed buffing threads =P Celestial Opposition is pretty terrible for the CD, I honestly think that should have a healing component attached and not the stun, with a slight CD reduction to 120 sec. The biggest problem with Nocturnal Sect, in my opinion, is that it copies all the skills SCH doesn't use right now. Why on earth would I Succor? That shield gets cannibalized into an heal. I can't Shadowflare and Sacred Soil, if this was FCOB then Collective Nocturnal would make sense, but it isn't. There's nothing to Sacred Soil in Alexander right now. About the only thing that sees some use is Adlo, which just makes me go =/ all the times it doesn't crit and gets knocked off by the first attack and Nocturnal doesn't even shield for that base amount. (costs less mana tho. Yay?)

[TyloRime]

The problem is that people expect AST to bring something *over* the other jobs, which by definition means AST has to be stronger to 'justify' ditching a job. That's not the point. The point is being able to choose a healer for your class comp, and still progress.

And the one you quoted already gave examples.

I don't think it needs to bring something OVER either of the other two - different and comparable would be fine, but at the moment we lack noticeable comparability unique or otherwise. I'd like to see another emergency heal for one thing.