Done with AST

[Vlady]

Astro is not inferior to the other jobs. It's this false spread of nis info in a attempt to bring more buffs to a job that doesnt need it that irks me.

[QUOTE=MidnightTundra;3186620]Either you don't have a 60 SCH or you're fine being the "balanced" guy compared to an "overpowered" guy. I'm an i187 AST and I pretty much pour everything into this class. Why? Because it's really, really fun. Fun > all for me at this point. As an AST and a SCH, I don't ignore what my SCH is capable of and what my AST is capable of.

There's only so much you can do with AST compared to SCH. I don't have an instant AoE heal. I don't have oGCD damage nukes. I don't have a pet healing every GCD. I don't have the AoE or single target damage potential as a SCH. I can't mitigate damage anywhere near what a SCH can.

And white mage does not have a pet that can provide a constant stream of heals along with the 3% haste buff every 30 seconds either. What astro brings is the best short cooldown instant cast heal in the game with upwards of 1000 potency if you learn to time it right. A powerful double tank healer cooldown that astro's have used for A1 and A2 savage mode to deal with double tank buster and healing debuff from dolls and we have the ability to up a dragoon's dps on burst phases by 400 dps or more if you coordinate your buff cards with your dps it is literally the best damage buff in the game that exponentially adds 10% dps buff to blood and rage strikes. Between synastry and lightspeed we are very powerful aoe healers being able to hit 3k-3500 hps (unless they nerfed aoe heals to Synasty. Have not tried it yet) so yes Astrologians are as strong of a healer as scholar and white mage.

[MidnightTundra]

Astro is not inferior to the other jobs. It's this false spread of nis info in a attempt to bring more buffs to a job that doesnt need it that irks me.

I don't want to offended you but in all honesty, what do you bring to a raid? I do want your input and I want you convince me. I will thoughtfully attempt to counter your argument with my somewhat extensive experience between SCH and AST in Heavensward.

[TyloRime]

Astro is not inferior to the other jobs. It's this false spread of nis info in a attempt to bring more buffs to a job that doesnt need it that irks me.

Between synastry and lightspeed we are very powerful aoe healers being able to hit 3k-3500 hps (unless they nerfed aoe heals to Synasty. Have not tried it yet) so yes Astrologians are as strong of a healer as scholar and white mage.

AoE heals have never worked with Synastry.. since Heavensward launched. I can respect that people have different opinions about the state of Astrologian in this thread, but if you're going to flat out attack other people about spreading misinformation, at least know the basics of the job.

Just because people want some changes brought to Astrologian doesn't mean they're putting your choice down.. I don't undestand why people seem offended that some of us want some changes...

[MidnightTundra]

And white mage does not have a pet that can provide a constant stream of heals along with the 3% haste buff every 30 seconds either.

The reason why WHM has incredible prevalence in current content is due to the fact that they have many means to boost their healing output. They aren't there to have competition with SCH's niche, they're there because their healing power is unparalleled. On top of their healing power, they bring the highest healer DPS compared to WHM and SCH in both AoE and single target.

What astro brings is the best short cooldown instant cast heal in the game with upwards of 1000 potency if you learn to time it right.

ED gets to 994 potency (400 + (600 * missingHealth%)) if your target has 1% of their max health. It is a nice CD that I cherish but this is literally your only burst heal. As a SCH, I have the potential for three in a time spam of 60s with a 1s CD. WHM has Tetra along with Benediction, the only % based heal in the game right now.

Between synastry and lightspeed we are very powerful aoe healers being able to hit 3k-3500 hps (unless they nerfed aoe heals to Synasty. Have not tried it yet) so yes Astrologians are as strong of a healer as scholar and white mage.

This sounds like you're overhealing by a lot. HPS doesn't mean anything if people aren't really taking damage. LightSpeed doesn't boost your HPS by what you're thinking because it doesn't reduce the GCD. It is more or less a tool for mana conservation and mobility. Synastry never worked with AoE nor ED. They also do not extend the added effects of your cures but I agree, it is a really good CD. It is a good CD but WHMs DS Regens on top of Asylum give a good means of dealing with both tanks. SCH has Rouse + Pet which is comparable/surpasses for much, much cheaper in MP cost.

if you coordinate your buff cards with your dps it is literally the best damage buff in the game that exponentially adds 10% dps buff to blood and rage strikes.

Yes buffs do scale multiplicatively but the thing here is, can you actually have this on command to sync with the DRGs buffs and do these short buffs make up for the SCH beating you by 100 DPS or more in single target?

[Ayer2015]

shouldn't be having issues healing on AST...

[Alahra]

I'm getting to this point. I've been able to clear the content I've attempted on AST, but I've also always been aware that I would be having an easier time on SCH. I've just started healing the Heavensward dungeons on my SCH and have definitely felt far less pressed so far compared to how I felt while leveling AST. While ASTs are certainly capable of clearing the content, their emphasis on faster, more mana-efficient heals means having to cast more to achieve similar results, which leaves less room for DPS and also reacting to emergencies and/or mechanics.

I very much prefer AST's general playstyle to that of SCH's, but I also haven't been a main healer for a long time and don't necessarily always enjoy taxing myself needlessly when healing to assist my FC. As such, I'm probably going to be going back to SCH, though if there are further changes to AST, I'll likely give it another whirl.

[Lorielle]

These posts. We did the math. So it must be true.

I know personally I could have cleared A2 Savage on Astrologian given some more time, but for the sake of making things EASIER and much SMOOTHER for my raid and co-healer, I ended up switching to White Mage where everyone could utilize their full potential. My SCH Co-Healer can effectively burst out DPS without having to make up for my lack of anything. This is the point most people are trying to get across but a lot of people keep trying to White Knight Astrologian like nothing's wrong. Open your eyes.

We get it. We know they are CAPABLE of doing it. Is it more EFFECIENT than WHM/SCH? No. If you think it is, you might want to reconsider your idea of efficiency.

[Vlady]

These posts. We did the math. So it must be true.

I know personally I could have cleared A2 Savage on Astrologian given some more time, but for the sake of making things EASIER and much SMOOTHER for my raid and co-healer, I ended up switching to White Mage where everyone could utilize their full potential. My SCH Co-Healer can effectively burst out DPS without having to make up for my lack of anything. This is the point most people are trying to get across but a lot of people keep trying to White Knight Astrologian like nothing's wrong. Open your eyes.

We get it. We know they are CAPABLE of doing it. Is it more EFFECIENT than WHM/SCH? No. If you think it is, you might want to reconsider your idea of efficiency.

You keep speaking of scholar dps and white mage superior healing. I am not fighting against SE fixing mana issues when we throw out our dots. My issue is everyone asking for potency buffs which we dont need. Or stronger healing cooldowns which we have. Our utility is enough to merit our slightly weaker potency in heals.

You honestly seem more interested in playing a white mage and just shrug your shoulders throwing blame on your static. Astrologian is not for everyone. You are an in between stronger healers and stronger supporting dps. It is suppose to be a more of a middle man healer compared to the two extremes of the others. You make up for it with cards that are strong in the right hands but do require precision coordination with dps that is almost silly in regards to the fire and forget utility of some other jobs. But if you do coordiate properly the cards are powerful enough to compare side by side with scholar and white mage.

[GideonHighmourn]

Yes you can use lustrate 3 times in a row which is 600 potency heal but with nocturnal you can spam infinitely instant casts 500 potency heals while not having to give up charges used for other mechanics in the scholar toolkit.

I honestly can't believe people are throwing this around. No, Aspected Benefic (Noct) is NOT a 500 potency heal; it's a 250 potency heal with a 250 potency shield. It's does not double on crit, and cannot be used "infinitely", as it costs MP. It is not a replacement for Lustrate; it's an insta-cast mini-Adlo without the ability to crit.

Useful for clutch saves? Yes.

Replacement for Lustrate? No.

Why? You still have to follow-up with something to top the person off afterwards, whereas Lustrate is almost always enough to just pop and keep going.

Please, stop spreading misinformation.

[Vlady]

I honestly can't believe people are throwing this around. No, Aspected Benefic (Noct) is NOT a 500 potency heal; it's a 250 potency heal with a 250 potency shield. It's does not double on crit, and cannot be used "infinitely", as it costs MP. It is not a replacement for Lustrate; it's an insta-cast mini-Adlo without the ability to crit.

Useful for clutch saves? Yes.

Replacement for Lustrate? No.

Why? You still have to follow-up with something to top the person off afterwards, whereas Lustrate is almost always enough to just pop and keep going.

Please, stop spreading misinformation.

So can Aspect crit. Big deal? It is effective as a 500 potency heal in regards to recovering from damage taken. It heals for about 1500 and shields for about 1500 on an instant cast that easily puts enough buffer in any raid encounter to make the difference. If I hit you with noc ben for a 1500 point heal and 1500 point shield and you get hit for 4k it is still 3k difference in damage healed and nullified. No if you look at it as a straight up heal then you are right it is only a 250 point heal.