Done with AST

[Akyio]

Your issue likely comes from not prepping your cards before hand generally for big pulls I have a extended Ewer on hold and use it with with LA and CD to extend both timers by 5 seconds so I rarely run out of mp.

if tank dies then it's normally not MP issue, i started having barely any mp issues since the patch because of lightspeed + ewer changes, i also started using CO to extend LA for 5 more seconds.
the problem is there's not much to do except spam benefic II with a regen on top of it.

[GeekMatt]

AST isn't for inexperienced healers due to it's low potency and dependency on mp management (as a duo those two factors make life especially hard when you aren't managing). Also the cards require you to understand how the party works.

BUT, it's low potency is what makes it so fun. I mean there are things that you can always be doing as a SCH/WHM but a lot of the times DPSing as a healer is really boring, and the extra stuff we can do is just unnecessary a lot of the time (extra Stoneskins in downtime etc). Basically the aspects that many people struggle with on AST are exactly what makes it enjoyable. Not saying it doesn't need to be reworked a bit, but I'd be voting for more utility that can put AST on par with WHM/SCH.

[technole]

AST isn't for inexperienced healers due to it's low potency and dependency on mp management (as a duo those two factors make life especially hard when you aren't managing). Also the cards require you to understand how the party works.

That is pretty much the truth. An already inexperienced healer will struggle with AST, and if they don't know how other jobs work that well they won't be providing the right card utility to the group either. If you were already good with MP management with WHM/SCH, you pretty much know when you have to use Aether on cooldown, and to make full use of lightspeed if the situation calls for speedy heals versus other cooldowns you were used to like Divine Seal, Emergency Tactics, etc.

Granted, I don't feel we can DPS so much with the job compared to the other two unless we get some Ewer support, which of course is based on RNG but we do have that utility as well. I like the job when RNG lines up with the stars, like it is a beauty to see that balance on a SMN in dreadwyrm trance ready to explode some big damage. The lower potency isn't really the issue though (being well-geared helps this situation of course). It's more along the lines of tighter MP management.

[Vlady]

The over the top dramatics in this thread is palpable. Astrology a few % weaker in this thread does not even compare to uselessness.

[Zaresin]

The over the top dramatics in this thread is palpable. Astrology a few % weaker in this thread does not even compare to uselessness.

Tell that to a lot of progression groups having AST sit out on savage. Seen several PF groups for A1 savage that specifically state no AST.

Right now AST bring nothing to the table except stress to the party. Until that is fixed they will continue to be consigned into the trash bin of Heavensward.

[Rahaya]

Tell that to a lot of progression groups having AST sit out on savage. Seen several PF groups for A1 savage that specifically state no AST.

Right now AST bring nothing to the table except stress to the party. Until that is fixed they will continue to be consigned into the trash bin of Heavensward.

Considering progression groups have cleared A1 and A2 with an AST, that's a case of the mediocre jumping on a bandwagon.

[Shyluv]

I can't comment about ast in savage, but in the expert dungeons or normal alex, I have not ran into the difficulty so many people are talking about even in such simple content. Even in full pug, where things go wrong. Especially since the recent buffs we got.

Synastry and Lightspeed actually saved us from wiping on a big pull in neverreap, where I know if I was on WHM it would have been a wipe.

But, I do still think ast does need a buff for nocturnal sect. I was talking to a friend about CO in noct sect, and his idea was that it should increase potency. Of both cards and shields.

[AlphaSonic]

I can't comment about ast in savage, but in the expert dungeons or normal alex, I have not ran into the difficulty so many people are talking about even in such simple content. Even in full pug, where things go wrong. Especially since the recent buffs we got.

Synastry and Lightspeed actually saved us from wiping on a big pull in neverreap, where I know if I was on WHM it would have been a wipe.

But, I do still think ast does need a buff for nocturnal sect. I was talking to a friend about CO in noct sect, and his idea was that it should increase potency. Of both cards and shields.

What? Impossible to do with WHM? With Cure III, Tetra, Benediction and Divine Seal? LightSpeed only gives you 1 instacast free of global cooldown.

[Rox_Unlimited]

I can't comment about ast in savage, but in the expert dungeons or normal alex, I have not ran into the difficulty so many people are talking about even in such simple content. Even in full pug, where things go wrong. Especially since the recent buffs we got.

Synastry and Lightspeed actually saved us from wiping on a big pull in neverreap, where I know if I was on WHM it would have been a wipe.

But, I do still think ast does need a buff for nocturnal sect. I was talking to a friend about CO in noct sect, and his idea was that it should increase potency. Of both cards and shields.

I litterraly LoL'd. 1st If your gonna wipe on Nevereap I don't know what to say, I can literraly do the dungeon in my sleep. 2nd. How would you even wipe on White Mage???? You have Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Prescense of Mind, DIVINE SEAL+REGEN, Asylum, Cure II, Cure III, and Assize. I can stay Cleric Stance 95% of the dungeon with a Warrior in Dilverance and still have no issue. Sorry to tell you but 4 little instant spells (that you also still have to wait or the GCD) and healing another person for half of your heals probably wasn't going to be a wipe anyway. There's litterally nothing a AST heals can do better than a WHM or SCH because they have far superior CDs.

[Shyluv]

I litterraly LoL'd.

It was a DRK who didn't use any cool downs and a BLM who aoe'd too soon. So both were "tanking" half the mobs at the same time. WHM cannot cast fast enough to keep something like that from being a wipe. Synastry, CO and lightspeed followed by benefic 2 and aspected helios and then more benefic 2, and essential dignity at the end allowed the tank time to get better control and use cool downs as the DRG suggested. PoM, holy, DS and tetra would not have been enough.

In a good group, I can also spend most of my time in cleric stance. But obviously, that was not a good group.