This patch dropped the ball hard

[Delily]

oh look another "I want all my gear now and for free and i don't want to achieve anything" thread

Oh look, another "pro" who doesn't understand the purpose of gear and did't bother to read the thread.

[DkDerek]

Unfortunately MMO's have just become...Boring. There are no new ideas. Everything that gets released, has been done somewhere else before. I've been playing MMO's for about 10 years. The only thrill I get out of them these days, is raiding. All the mindless grinding stuff between raid nights is extremely boring. Sure I'll cap my esoterics, thats no problem. But when the relic weapon gets released, I probably won't even bother. If a game "forces" me to do mindless grinding activities, I will simply stop playing. I would rather take my dogs to the park than farm Alexandrite or Atmas.

With only 4 raid bosses, they need to last a long time. What better way than to tune them to insane levels, essentially gating them behind esoteric gear, which is gated behind a weekly cap. It's genius, really. But it's cheap content. We have 2 dungeons, and 4 raid bosses right now.

That is absolutely pathetic for a game that pushes 4 million subs.

[Ayanno]

That is absolutely pathetic for a game that pushes 4 million subs.

Except the game doesn't have 4 million subscribers, it has sold 4 million copies, which is the number SE keeps touting in a PR stunt to show the success of the game. Copies sold and subscribers currently are two vastly different things.

@Luciferbelmont: Go away, little troll, go away. It is painfully obvious you didn't even read past the threads title. Then proceeded to come in here trying to make some sort of witty insult to people. You made an ASSumption. You know what they say about people who assume things, right? Right!

Now buzz off.

[Lux_Rayna]

Not really. That's just the number of people that have purchased a box copy and logged into the game (since trial accounts aren't included). It says absolutely nothing about their retention numbers.

Current subs is a meaningless valuation metric, as it goes up or down month to month. Sales is what shows up in Earnings reports, and is where most of the $$ comes from. Subs is how you pad slow or declining sales.

[Ayanno]

Current subs is a meaningless valuation metric, as it goes up or down month to month. Sales is what shows up in Earnings reports, and is where most of the $$ comes from. Subs is how you pad slow or declining sales.

....just no. For MMO's, subscriber numbers are very, VERY important. If you sell 4 million copies 2 years ago.....but only 5,000 are actually still paying......is the game still profitable? No, it's not. MMO developers make their profits off subscriptions, not initial copies sold. Those copies sold off set the original dev costs. Future content is paid for by subscriptions. You know what else is paid for by subscriptions? Profits.

[Felis]

That's the thing, it's all dungeons and Alexander. Even if not having to spam the lvl 60 ones, people still have to do a dungeon every. Single. Day. Dungeons get tedious and boring after a while, specially if doing them daily. I think the point people are trying to make is that the game needs variety in how to obtain the gear. If people get bored, they will simply stop playing.

from the 3.05 patch note

[3.0] Players will now receive Allagan tomestones of esoterics from wyvernskin treasure maps and dragonskin treasure maps.

[SakuraMidori]

....just no. For MMO's, subscriber numbers are very, VERY important. If you sell 4 million copies 2 years ago.....but only 5,000 are actually still paying......is the game still profitable? No, it's not. MMO developers make their profits off subscriptions, not initial copies sold. Those copies sold off set the original dev costs. Future content is paid for by subscriptions. You know what else is paid for by subscriptions? Profits.

hehehehe Cash shop :P that be why SE still has it up

[Tuathaa]

You are correct and I apologize I reread the past pages, but it still doesn't excuse the fact that you are complaining you are bored and feel like the only thing you can do is level an alt. In the grand scheme, This game just isn't what you're looking for and there is nothing wrong with that,

And if you were to read my earlier posts before you quoted me you would find out I was (and still am to a point) defending the current system. I understand how SE's progression works your problem is you don't seem to understand that other people don't care for it and choose to do something else.
The only change I would like to see is more ways to get tomestones and to increase the cap.

It is pretty brazen of you to tell me this game isn't what I am looking for and I should quit. How exactly do you know? You certainly haven't read all of my posts and you miss interpret the ones you do.
Maybe this isn't the forum you are looking for and you should try others there are plenty out there that share your same views and you would enjoy

[SakuraMidori]

You need to either grow up and get out of this topic.
You're being incredibly rude to people on here and keep parroting the same crap every single day.
No one's talking about your atrocious spelling, punctuations or grammar.
So hard to have a debate here without people like this acting a clown.

Was this a debate? and wow you read my stuff everyday? I feel loved anyway i'm not going to fight with you and ill just end it with a sorry if i upset you

[Tuathaa]

Was this a debate? and wow you read my stuff everyday? I feel loved anyway i'm not going to fight with you and ill just end it with a sorry if i upset you

Ha ha you have a stalker