This patch dropped the ball hard

[Iromi]

No point arguing with whiners. Let them whine as much as they can and quit. The game will be a better place without them =\ Or they will learn to deal with it

I don't see how telling people to unsub is acceptable. People "whine" because they enjoy the game, but want it to improve or reach its fullest potential. I already gave up "whining" and simply unsubbed. There was plenty of threads asking for different ways to obtain things, something besides the weekly lockout junk, open world stuff, and group content that means something besides 4 end game bosses every 6 months and people begging for horizontal game play and our 1.0 stats back. They obviously did not listen and seem to just be rehashing the same thing over and over. If people enjoy that, that is fine. But you can't blame people for voicing their opinions on here, when SE themselves encourages it, in hopes of saving interest in the game.

[Kaedan94]

I don't see how telling people to unsub is acceptable. People "whine" because they enjoy the game, but want it to improve or reach its fullest potential. I already gave up "whining" and simply unsubbed. There was plenty of threads asking for different ways to obtain things, something besides the weekly lockout junk, open world stuff, and group content that means something besides 4 end game bosses every 6 months and people begging for horizontal game play and our 1.0 stats back. They obviously did not listen and seem to just be rehashing the same thing over and over. If people enjoy that, that is fine. But you can't blame people for voicing their opinions on here, when SE themselves encourages it, in hopes of saving interest in the game.

There's a difference between whining and constructive criticism. The latter is useful and appreciated. The former is not, and is the vast majority of what is spewed all over these forums.

Normally the people who are told to leave/unsub are those who are making radically stupid demands. Demands/whining that most likely will never be changed. So rather than trying to radically alter a game for a minority, it's a far better idea for them to go find a game that suits their needs/wants more.

[SakuraMidori]

I don't see how telling people to unsub is acceptable. People "whine" because they enjoy the game, but want it to improve or reach its fullest potential. I already gave up "whining" and simply unsubbed. There was plenty of threads asking for different ways to obtain things, something besides the weekly lockout junk, open world stuff, and group content that means something besides 4 end game bosses every 6 months and people begging for horizontal game play and our 1.0 stats back. They obviously did not listen and seem to just be rehashing the same thing over and over. If people enjoy that, that is fine. But you can't blame people for voicing their opinions on here, when SE themselves encourages it, in hopes of saving interest in the game.

You unsubbed? then why are you here? you unsub and still come here to cry lollll i guess you can't find a good game to keep you busy huh?

[Dorfentyme]

You unsubbed? then why are you here? you unsub and still come here to cry lollll i guess you can't find a good game to keep you busy huh?

Could you be more rude? Maybe try and put yourself in someone else's shoes for one second. Maybe they unsubbed because they were unhappy with certain directions the game is going. Maybe they thought if they expressed their concern and/or provided constructive feedback something positive would change? Did you ever think of that? Or were you too busy insulting someone for saying they were unhappy with the game? Not everyone has to be a doormat.

[Kaedan]

Could you be more rude? Maybe try and put yourself in someone else's shoes for one second. Maybe they unsubbed because they were unhappy with certain directions the game is going. Maybe they thought if they expressed their concern and/or provided constructive feedback something positive would change? Did you ever think of that? Or were you too busy insulting someone for saying they were unhappy with the game? Not everyone has to be a doormat.

While her tone could use improvement, she's not wrong.

The poster in question isn't being constructive. As stated in one of the posts above:

There's a difference between whining and constructive criticism. The latter is useful and appreciated. The former is not, and is the vast majority of what is spewed all over these forums.

Normally the people who are told to leave/unsub are those who are making radically stupid demands. Demands/whining that most likely will never be changed. So rather than trying to radically alter a game for a minority, it's a far better idea for them to go find a game that suits their needs/wants more.

Basically the poster in question falls into the unreasonable demands category. They want 1.0 mechanics for crying out loud...

[Ayanno]

You unsubbed? then why are you here? you unsub and still come here to cry lollll i guess you can't find a good game to keep you busy huh?

I'm not even going to attempt to sugarcoat this: if you are incapable of actually having an intelligent, thoughtful conversation about the topic, then get out. The last few posts from you have been nothing but troll/bait of other posters. You have not contributed anything worthwhile to this conversation. Grow up.

And no, I'm not mad, butt hurt, or anything else your going to come back here with in some oh so witty(to you alone) response. What I am is tired of seeing your inane garbage every few posts.

[DukeBurden]

The problem IS.... 3.0 feels like 2.0 with flying! (sarcasm on that smiley face) the formula is exactly the same down the gear progression. tome gear? upgrade it with hunts! in 2.0 we had AK and WP, now we have FC and NR. About the only difference is that we have 1 less primal. :/ Ifrit, Garuda, Titan. Bismark, Ravana, ...Aw.

[Dorfentyme]

The problem IS.... 3.0 feels like 2.0 with flying! (sarcasm on that smiley face) the formula is exactly the same down the gear progression. tome gear? upgrade it with hunts! in 2.0 we had AK and WP, now we have FC and NR. About the only difference is that we have 1 less primal. :/ Ifrit, Garuda, Titan. Bismark, Ravana, ...Aw.

I think the only slight difference is that Alexander normal is a lot more accessable to the playerbase than first coil was. They also made sure the loot system was designed to be a major grindfest in Alex normal, so the game has that going for it! (sarcasm, btw). I think making the exact same mistake as 2.0 in 3.0 endgame was a bad idea. Having 2 endgame dungeons was dumb in 2.0, and well, it's dumb here. No, CM and Praetorium don't count because they were the most awfully designed dungeons for endgame content. The only redeeming quality was that they contained a decent amount of tomes in them. I still have plenty of stuff to do right now because I don't play every waking second of every single day, but I can't help but be a bit bothered that they did the exact.same.thing as last time...and that wasn't exactly received very well.

[annihilator2k7]

I'm fine with the cap, I'm fine with the upgrades being locked behind savage. What I'm not at all fine with is the fact that esoteric gear is the same cost as poetic gear was and can not be shared between jobs in any way other than the belts and accessories. The whole thing at least kind of made sense before because as a tank you could gear both PLD and WAR at the same time, as a healer you could gear both WHM and SCH at the same time, etc. But now you're forced to choose one job to play unless you are doing savage, which is not okay. It would be manageable if the costs were the same as the law gear was, but as it is now, it's just infuriating.

[Rafaelhades]

I'm fine with the cap, I'm fine with the upgrades being locked behind savage. What I'm not at all fine with is the fact that esoteric gear is the same cost as poetic gear was and can not be shared between jobs in any way other than the belts and accessories. The whole thing at least kind of made sense before because as a tank you could gear both PLD and WAR at the same time, as a healer you could gear both WHM and SCH at the same time, etc. But now you're forced to choose one job to play unless you are doing savage, which is not okay. It would be manageable if the costs were the same as the law gear was, but as it is now, it's just infuriating.

I wouldn't really say forced. i190 is still the gateway ilevel for Savage so your other jobs with 190 are still viable. They are simply mirroring 2.X gear progression way back when they introduced AF2 (i90). In fact, it's slightly better now, as now you have the option to still gear your other jobs. Back then, all we had was Darklight (i70) in terms of alt gear, which, I suppose, would be similar to Prototype gear once Esoterics gear are easily upgradeable to 210 (20 ilvl difference). Was it a bad decision, given we're nearly 2 years in? Maybe, but this is a Final Fantasy game, and iconic throwbacks will always be present. The game thrives on it.

3.x is barely out the gate and we have yet to see SE's plans unravel. Be disillusioned if you all like, but jumping the gun and complaining that nothing will change is like that one pessimist in the group that always brings everyone down.