Parsers make you stupid

[SQBoard]

The problem with this logic is, that the game demands a certain thing of you to succeed. What if you simply under perform and the game saids "not enough DPS to finish this encounter"? Yell back it at that you are casual and demand the boss to drop down before you?

The whole "leave me alone, i do what i want" logic works till the game itself denies you, but then what?

The devs design content initially according to their vision and demographic of whom that content is intended for.

They set a baseline for mechanics, dps checks and time vs reward ratios (used to be risk v reward but they moved on to time to complete these days)

They also datamine constantly on what players are doing and how (or how fast) they're doing it. When they see a significant group of players blowing through their baseline dps checks, the devs will investigate and adjust content accordingly...maybe for current content but most definitely for future content.

Now if the only reason people are blowing through those dps checks is because they're using unauthorized 3rd party tools wouldn't matter when it comes to adjusting content. People are doing things beyond what the devs initially designed for and they have to account for that no matter what...parser use or not.

It's not just dps checks. Devs in any game do this if they see players are power leveling through a certain method, they might nerf that method. If they're bum-rushing a dungeon then locking out the mobs out of the boss room to avoid clearing trash, they might, i don't know, put mob gates to prevent progressing till you kill those mobs.

Devs will always adjust content based on what players are doing. This is an mmo but people seem to think what they do have no effect on everyone else, but certain things do when the devs nerf or bumps up difficulty according to what some players are doing.

Ofcourse, that usually means people who are playing the game as intended might get screwed...or have to wait for echoed content.


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To people getting harrassed by parser users, the only thing you can do is report them for harrassment, copy/paste the chat text or link to where they posted pics on their parser use. If SE doesn't care, then you're no worse for wear. Otherwise they will deal with it.

[Inuk9]

I mean, in A4, normal there is no high DPS check so I don't see any problem of being low dps. But in savage you will really need to get better. No one can carry a low dps guys through savage. That's not trash talking, that's just a fact.

Too bad I'm a PS4 user and I can't see my dps and keep begging my teamates to tell me. I wish there is some kind of personal parser ingame that allows you to see only your dps.

[Teno]

Parsers help distinguish the baddies. It is a nice addition. It should be included in-game, maybe only available in savage or on the dummies, where it does matter ?

[Inuk9]

Parsers help distinguish the baddies. It is a nice addition. It should be included in-game, maybe only available in savage or on the dummies, where it does matter ?

I agree with you. Not want to sound elitist but sometimes you need to know what is wrong with the party and how to get better. In DPS checks there are parsers who can provide this information.

But not to be rude and harass the "noob player" but to tell him "Hey dude, we are not meating the requirements for this battle because your dps is low, if you don't get better at your rotationswe gonna need to replace you, otherwise we're never clearing this."

And dps is the less mechanichal role in this game, there are really few fights that requires DPS's attention. And when that happens (titan extreme, looking at you). It's a really difficult run to carry 3~4 DPS who keep dying to plumes, or by not killing titan's heart.

I've loved the A1 savage is a extreme dps check, because that will separate good players who actually learned mechanics of his job of bad players who got through maximum level doing FATES.

[Svalitz]

Parsers officially ruined DPSing for me in this game.

Look, I get that some content is tough DPS check, but parsing is NOT ACCURATE. There are so many factors involved in what your output can be, certain content is geared more towards one class than the other. I know my DPS on my DRG is not as good as someone else's SMN or BLM in the majority of things out there in game... but why does it matter SO MUCH to players what friggin number you're doing?

So long as people can clear content and not faceplant getting hit by the enemy WHY. DO. YOU. CARE. SO. MUCH??

[Mikedizzy]

Trying to PUG SAVAGe is going to be rough going...are people really trying to do that?

[Svalitz]

My DPS isn't great, and I'm ok with that. What I'm NOT ok with, is knowing that someone in my dungeon group is parsing Tam-Tara and talking to their LS group about how "lol this DRG is only parsing 100" behind my back.

Get over yourselves.

Parsers are NOT the be all end all of this game, and are NOT necessary, and are NOT EVEN ALLOWED.

Can we please stop freaking out over numbers and "the best rotations" etc and just play the gd game GDI.


*forever a tank now because at least THAT is solely based on skill and not luck / putting blinders on and ignoring mechanics to show how big my epeen is*

[Inuk9]

My DPS isn't great, and I'm ok with that. What I'm NOT ok with, is knowing that someone in my dungeon group is parsing Tam-Tara and talking to their LS group about how "lol this DRG is only parsing 100" behind my back.

Get over yourselves.

Parsers are NOT the be all end all of this game, and are NOT necessary, and are NOT EVEN ALLOWED.

Can we please stop freaking out over numbers and "the best rotations" etc and just play the gd game GDI.


*forever a tank now because at least THAT is solely based on skill and not luck / putting blinders on and ignoring mechanics to show how big my epeen is*

If you can clear the content, without major issues I have no objectons. But parses are usefull to see who is doing good or bad when a party wipes to an enrage. If you disagree with me, you probably likes to being carried instead of trying to improve your game. Even casuals can do high dps if they want.

[Svalitz]

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My point is you don't NEED parsers to monitor people who are holding the group back.

I don't use them ever. I can easily see who is laying dead on the floor 4 times in a fight.

You can also see who isn't using the proper job skills just by looking at their buffs etc. You can see people's gear and iLevel. You can even see numbers on the screen as to what someone's doing / crits etc. if you really care that much.

It's mostly only endgame content that everything becomes a really tight check where you WILL wipe unless everyone is giving it their all... in which case I say, go with people you trust if you expect wins for this type of content.

The game wasn't designed for parsers, and as someone already mentioned above, the reason they are making content harder and harder on DPS is likely BECAUSE everyone is being forced into higher numbers by the community self-policing.

[Bishop81]

Yeah, I recall that transition occurring fairly early in WoW's history. It just became more prevalent as time went on. However, there has never been a game that uses the tank, healer, and damage dealer roles whose end game didn't devolve into a parser fest. The damage dealer role itself is the flaw, not parsers. Either that or blame human nature, but since games are there to cater to human nature I generally blame the trinity.

Also, it feels like more end game groups are using parsers now then they were in FFXIV 2.0, which is similar to my experience in virtually every other MMORPG using the trinity. It's pretty much inevitable.

It all comes down to how MMO group content is designed. So long as player interdependence exist such that the whole group is punished for the failings of a few, people are going to be at each other's throats over what is "acceptable performance".