ooids for sale on MB, 500k ridiculous

[Rath]

This post is hilarious.

Claims Red scripts are for casuals.

Then says all you need is a ton of Gil for mats, or if you want to save Gil, be an omnicrafter and omnigatherer and get all of the materials on their own a month after the expansion hits.

You know, casuals.

Actually, I said prices on mats are inflated right now. Then gave you ways to save gil on those mat costs. Example: I bought a couple stacks of aurum regis sand, birch lumber. The other materials are trivial. I quick synthed the nuggets and the lumber. Made some 10 scrip items and sold 1 HQ that paid for the entire process. If, I had bought the lumber and nuggets, my costs would have been way more then the cost of selling one HQ rod. I also converted and sold my crp tools as t4 materia is 200k~ and sells nicely. The same mats I used to remake them pretty much anyways. I then sold remaining mats for profit to pay for all the crystals I had used. Being an Omni-crafter saved me tons of gil and I actually came out ahead.

Now, if I had not been lazy or short on time, I could have gathered those mats. Simple items like those only take about 15 minutes to get a stack. I could have also just done leve, as they now give those mats as well.

[Hanmerreborn]

Being an Omni-crafter saved me tons of gil and I actually came out ahead.

Ya guys! It\\\\'s as easy as having enough Gil to buy all the mats you need, the gear to make HQ, and be an omnicrafter so you only have to buy the mats rather than the crafted materials!

Or not be lazy and have omnigathering to gather all the materials on their own!

The very definition of the casual player experience. Tons of spare Gil and maxed out 60s across the board.

[Seyb]

The very definition of the casual player experience. Tons of spare Gil and maxed out 60s across the board.

It really depends on what you call casual.
- Casual low level crafter
- Casual endgame (level 60) crafter
- Casual endgame omnicrafter (all or almost all at level 60)
- Casual endgame omnicrafter and omnigatherer

I aim for the last one. This doesn't make me less casual than I am. I don't spend 10 hours a day crafting, but I like spending one day a week on it.

But still, there is no denying that the people with only a few crafts and no gatherers are pretty much screwed because they pay a hefty price for each red scrip. This shouldn't be intended...?
Then again, Rath points out that you can craft your 20 (or 50) red scrip items by buying all mats and still come out without a loss, IF you sell some of the HQ products. Of course, flooding the market with 1 item is never a good thing.:/

[Rath]

It really depends on what you call casual.
- Casual low level crafter
- Casual endgame (level 60) crafter
- Casual endgame omnicrafter (all or almost all at level 60)
- Casual endgame omnicrafter and omnigatherer

I aim for the last one. This doesn't make me less casual than I am. I don't spend 10 hours a day crafting, but I like spending one day a week on it.

But still, there is no denying that the people with only a few crafts and no gatherers are pretty much screwed because they pay a hefty price for each red scrip. This shouldn't be intended...?
Then again, Rath points out that you can craft your 20 (or 50) red scrip items by buying all mats and still come out without a loss, IF you sell some of the HQ products. Of course, flooding the market with 1 item is never a good thing.:/

Which is why I sold 1. I then sold the actual extra materials that I did not use.

There is also another resource people forget about. there friends. I always log in to find moogle mail from some of my friends. Usually with mats in them asking if I can make things for them. Or a request of what mats they need to gather. They ask for anything from gear or materials. I mean it takes me no time to afk quick-synth a stack of lumber for them any longer then it does for myself. They get it when I get to it, and they supply mats and crystals. This actually happens quite often synth expansion....some of them had focused on a single craft like crp only to realize they needed water. So I made them water, no big deal. They provided me with fish sometimes too for my GC turn-ins. Friends are a good resource!

[Airget]

Ya people are honestly forgetting the teamwork aspect of crafting, the red scrip concept is designed to yes force people to work together, sure it might take you 9-10 weeks to obtain 1 set of gather gear but guess what two other friends can obtain the other sets in that same time frame and guess what, you can work together with your friends and share loot and barter with one another as needed. You don't have to grab favors from both miner and botanist and do it all yourself, you can maximize botanist and be the best at gathering for botanist, and your friend can be the best at miner etc etc.

That's the funny thing though, yes the red scrip only crafting gear is excessive in cost compared to how much it cost to just make it.

Let's just take a look at one set of crafting gear.

Millmaster Saw=200 red scrips to craft or 1300 red scrips to obtain as untradeable.

Yes the stats are:

Milkeep Saw=Craft/278, Control/149
Millmaster Saw=Craft/232, Control/124
Millmaster Saw (HQ)=Craft/263, Control/141

But of course the crafted version can be melded to be better than the red scrip only version and the other thing to keep in mind is this.

Would you rather 1300 red scrips that is barely better than the HQ version or would you rather take a chance at try to attempt HQ 6 times, but on top of that there is a huge revelation people should try to keep in mind.

Craftwise:
Main hand=200 Red Scrips
Offhand= 150 Red scrips*only craft version for this
Head= 150
Body=200
Hands=150
Legs=200
Feet=150
Waist=100
Necklace=100
Earring=100
Bracelet=100
2x Ring=200

1700 Red Scrips to craft a whole set and if you minus the acessories/waist are part of the "per class" aspect since they are shared then you have the following:

All Class equip=600 red scrip
Class Specific=1100 Rec Scrips

So with teamwork in 4 weeks (pending if you HQ or not) you can have yourself a full set of gear for one class along with accessories however if you want to be a loner then it will take you 9 weeks to obtain the Main tool, Head, Body, Hand, Legs, Feet and the of course if you wanted the craft parts you'll need 750 red scrips for another 1-2 weeks depending how much was left over from week 9.

So basically by yourself it will take about 11 weeks to fully gear yourself up but if you work together then you can gear up even stronger with meldable equipment in 4 weeks.

Then of course if you just focus on your other 2 specialization then you have 3900 which is weeks to have 3 yes 3 classes of DOH fully geared up with HQ gear if you don't make any mistakes compared to the yes 11 weeks it would take just to gear up one DOH with gear of lesser quality since you can't add materia to it.

So ya, take it as you will, FC should be able to take advantage of the scrip system, once you take a step back you realize it's not that bad, yes it might be hard to push that needed amount to first craft it but once you go through that first hurdle it only becomes easier and easier until it's a pretty much guaranteed 3900 red scrips to full gear a person in 3 DOH.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

To make the MH takes 200 Red Crafter Scrips ... and with an incredible dose of luck, 400 Red Gather Scrips (that's assuming 10 Ooids and 10 of the botany thing per set of Favors, that's both Mining and Botany at 50 RGS each). More probable to take twice that much, based on the results people have been reporting about their Ooid collection rates.

600-1000 Red Scrips for the MH, combining Crafter and Gatherer.



I think it is better to save the RGS for the MIN, BOT MH tools, and whole doing that, save up for the LTW and another tool, good choices being WVR, BSM, or CRP. THEN make a decision : go for crafted gear or go for more bought gear. The reasoning here is quite simple : you have no choice in getting bought gear for the gathering classes. So you may as well use that time to get bought gear for the crafting classes as well. The only real question is, gear up a gathering class fully, or just get a couple tools? If you want to gear up the two gathering classes fully (I'm disregarding FSH here, as it is not needed for materials for the crafting classes) that's either two crafting classes in full bought gear, or several MH tools.

Sure, if you can convince people to effectively give you their Red Scrips, though the trading of items one way or another, that can speed things up. But unless you are willing to be one of those on delay (which, may not actually be all that bad a position to be in, if you're helping to gear someone else up as long as they then turn around and use their new gear to help you gear up) don't advocate seeking others to be on the delay.

[DarthBuzzer]

You can't work with others to speed things up because every material and every item is weekly capped. Helping each other does nothing except get you mats you want vs mats that you have but dont want.

[scarebearz]

So basically by yourself it will take about 11 weeks to fully gear yourself up but if you work together then you can gear up even stronger with meldable equipment in 4 weeks.

Your saying the very fastest way to get 1 class geared is going to be 11 weeks, by this point serious raiders will have had 12 weeks of tomestones and be geared in almost all full i200, maybe will a couple of i190 parts still.

So assuming you *only* gear 1 of your specalist classes first before making battle gear, it will already be too late and this is with the fastest method, if you want to use token crafting gear it'll take far longer.

[Aeyis]

So basically by yourself it will take about 11 weeks to fully gear yourself up but if you work together then you can gear up even stronger with meldable equipment in 4 weeks.

That is incorrect. You have to factor in the time it takes to obtain the materias required to meld the new i170.
These materias come from converting i170 items. (as there are no i160 crafting items)

So ya, take it as you will, FC should be able to take advantage of the scrip system

Unless that FC consists of a person and her alts I do not see why they would set themselves back in order to grant one person equipment.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

A group of close-knit friends in a FC could find that to be a good thing, Aeyis. Funnel mats at one person so they can get geared up, in order to gear the rest of the people up. The overall time spent gearing the group does not change, and once the one is geared up, there is less chance of a NQ delay.

I don't see that being a very realistic option for most people, however. Which is why I'd suggested this earlier : its probably best to get the bought gathering gear first, and while doing that get some tools or other bought crafting gear, then turn around and start crafting gear.