ooids for sale on MB, 500k ridiculous

[Aeyis]

To be fair here, it does matter. Omnicrafting aside, it does not change the fact that with 100 scrips he was able to gather enough mats for an ingot and a half.

Ofcourse it matters. Because facts are being twisted here. 100 scrips being equal to an ingot and a half means that even with his luck on Favor items (he got above average on his favors) he would only be able to get 4.5x 1.5 = 6.8 materials made in a week. Which in this first week means he can only make 6 materials, not the full 9 materials as his crafter red scrips would allow him to make, as was his (unresearched) claim.

In addition, due to attempting to make the Tool, he is also locked out of making any items for the remainder of the week, barring accessories; as all other items besides those require 3 or 4 materials.

It doesnt matter what you have achieved, you were omni crafter/gatharer to begin with with near max shite on you. What majority are screaming is exactly what you are proving, top 1% is circulating thing between them. Causals are left with shoveling the shit to feed you mats or if we decide to hog it to ourselfs we are still so far behind in crafting that we must be stupid on genetic level to buy into the shit SE has created.

I disagee with this. Based on comments made in earlier posts I have no reason to believe the perseon you responded to belongs to the top 1%.
Because the top 1% did their research..

All they require is 15 minutes of non-stop streamlined flight paths and quick interaction with nodes. Yes you can get 1 item from a favour, but they give you 5 and you can also get upwards of 5. I

Thats true, but twisted to give weight an incorrect argumentation. While one favor takes 15 minutes, doing all 45 takes 45x15(minutes, watch your hour conversion ) = roughly 11 hours to complete each week. On top of any other gathering you might have planned for the week.
Red scrips + favors together is the equivalent of grinding 2.5-3 folklore tomes, except you do this each week.

Yes they can give 1. Yes they can give 5 or even more. But averaging it out leads to 3-4 per favor.


In addition, buying and selling excess materials (others and your own, respectively) sounds good on paper. However that requires an actual supply being present. And it requires the exact number being present, because more or less will serve you no purpose.

I'm not sure what the servers of you 2 are like, but on mine theres 3 items being sold, and thats it.
Because everyone that could harvest them either needs the red scrips, or these materials for themselves.

The group of people that would easily farm and just sell these has not yet reached the ability to actually harvest these, atleast not on my server.

[Jaeifer]

Ofcourse it matters. Because facts are being twisted here. 100 scrips being equal to an ingot and a half means that even with his luck on Favor items (he got above average on his favors) he would only be able to get 4.5x 1.5 = 6.8 materials made in a week. Which in this first week means he can only make 6 materials, not the full 9 materials as his crafter red scrips would allow him to make, as was his (unresearched) claim.

In addition, due to attempting to make the Tool, he is also locked out of making any items for the remainder of the week, barring accessories; as all other items besides those require 3 or 4 materials.

You're the one miscalculating now.

As I had stated in my previous post INCLUDING the favors that got me only 1 and 2 items I've had 4.625 Items per favor for 8 favors.
And if this rate keeps up I would receive 208 Favor items from 45 favors which is enough for the 180 (9x10 +9x10) items turn in for all 9 red crafter scrips and a leeway of 28 items for worse luck.

And since weapon + armor require 4 red scrips mats each I would still be in the green.

[silverhope]

I used 2 mining favors and 1 botany favors (x5 on each) got 20 ooid and 20 foxwhatevers made 6 crafting items with shitty gear and got 2 crafting tokens. got myself razicoatx10 on market now 10mil hope they sell.

[Rath]

The point is mute, how can you people do not understand it, the red scrips were said to give casual crafters the equivalent of artisan gear for turnins for 60 lvl crafting. The system would work if specializations where mostly independent crafts and you could have casual approach to one craft. But alas it is NOT that way. Specializations are a joke, so interdependant on expensive materials, that there nothing casual there. Basicly SE has LIED to us, all for the HYPE so you buy into the expansian. I could bet 1 years worth subscribtion that if they announced this shit before the HW went on preorder, RIOTING would be so real as we could have real tools (i.e. not buying expansion) to protest all the BS they are pulling, they would LOOSE so much money that some fireing would be in order.

SE said you will be able to gear up to do the high-end crafts and gather from the high-end nodes without needing HQ penta-melded gear.They also said it would be slower, and not BiS gear. Exactly what it is. You do not need to even do the favour nodes, as they are only needed IF you don't want to go this route. Crafting collectibles is easy as it comes. The master books require blue scrips which are easily obtained. You then use (all but cooking) one of those recipes to craft your red scrips. Just because you cannot do it all right away, does not mean it is not easy and cannot be done casually.

The cost of materials is the ONLY thing preventing everyone from capping out scrips in a day. That, is not SE fault. These materials are all new and needed for a lot of things while people are leveling up. Until a lot of the playerbase gets done doing that and things actually settle down, shit will be expensive. You can actually get most of the expensive materials from leve now, just most people do not bother.

I think this new method is BS and sucks for the crafters, but my DoL can gear up for free this way. Either way, they will nerf it, because they always do.

[PROBOUND]

Thank you - and actually if the average of 4-5 items per favour holds up it'll actually be possible for me to get 2 items in this week (planning on Boltmaster's Needle and Boltmaster's Dreadnought [because frankly that thing looks sexy as all hell.]) - can keep you posted on my progress if you care.

I Care! <3 lol Keep up to good work! Its refreshing to actually see people doing rather than complaining. We learn from your success'/mistakes so please continue leading the charge and paving the way! Your making our lives easier by removing the questions/concerns with this new system and for that i Thank you! Takes ballz to do this!

PS. Grats on the ingot! What was the end % on the HQ? Did you start off with NQ matts ? Did you use any specialist skills or was it the trusty old 4star prioritization? How many progress actions did it take to finish? (PbP x3 > RSx2 > CS2 ?)

PPS. What are your thoughts on Alt characters to further enhance our Omnicrafter status'? With 3 Chars thats 1350 scrips per week, surely that should make a dent in the time it takes to progress gear wise. Its seems as though only the gathering items will be tradeable so at the very least 60 MIN/BTN on all the alts would make sense no?

[Rath]

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I stopped replying to you after a previous topic as you are very contradictory and refuse to listen to anyone.

I am one of the "casual" players. But I enjoy crafting and do it casually. I am not one of the top 1% gil-wise, but only because I am limited in time due to work/wife/kids/etc. As a player with two kids under 4; I seldom do raids, dungeons, etc until kids are in bed and wife is also busy. What I can do is get scrips, craft a piece of equipment, do a trial roulette, etc. Things that do not take much time. That being said, I am a grandmaster of DoH/DoL, and a 60 smn at il180. I also have 0 intention of doing 45 favours a week. Someone with plans to do that is what this system was NOT intended for. That is a hardcore player that is aiming to gear up with the HQ crafted gear as quickly as possible. Where-as I will gather enough favour mats to make 1 piece of gear each week and use the rest to gear my DoL. I will then use the rest of my crafter scrips to supplement that weekly piece with a scrip piece when I have enough.

You need to stop taking the numbers that would apply to a hardcore player and applying them to a casual player. Scrip gear is casual and can be gained casually. Crafted gear from scrip mats is not intended for casual players. Gathering 45 favour nodes is for crafted gear, not scrip gear.

[Aeyis]

I stopped replying to you after a previous topic as you are very contradictory and refuse to listen to anyone.

I had you on ignore by the way. Since as you say

you are very contradictory and refuse to listen to anyone.

Case in point:

I am one of the "casual" players. But I enjoy crafting and do it casually. I am not one of the top 1% gil-wise, but only because I am limited in time due to work/wife/kids/etc.

I very much recall you saying before that you were a top end crafter and implied you made a lot of gil as such. You used this as an argument to give authority to your argumentation that inventory is no issue for you as ''top end crafter''; so why would it be to anyone else?

You need to stop taking the numbers that would apply to a hardcore player and applying them to a casual player. Scrip gear is casual and can be gained casually. Crafted gear from scrip mats is not intended for casual players. Gathering 45 favour nodes is for crafted gear, not scrip gear.

I'm sorry, but I cannot stop doing that. Because first I would have to start doing that.
I take the casual and hardcore perspectives in consideration. The reasons why are simple: because I care about more then just my own point of view.
I'm a hardcore player, but I play in a FC with mostly casual players.


The script system is not by any means casual. As others have explained better then I already, red scrips for crafters are very expensive to get. And for gatherers they take quite a bit of time to get. (as much as 1 folklore tome)
In addition for those that cannot afford to pay big gil and have to farm their own materials, it takes even longer (11 hours longer each week) because they also have to farm items from the favors.

Casual crafters wont have nearly as much gil as those that are more hardcore. The reason is pretty simple: time = gil.


Now that I've explained this, I must ask; what is the meaning of this:

You need to stop taking the numbers that would apply to a hardcore player and applying them to a casual player

Because the numbers I have been using are those that are issues for the casual player. For my sake I dont particular mind that it takes long.

I'm a bit of a maso after all, Im fine with grinding my ass off.


I'm not surprised that you would defend this currently very broken crafting system. But I can't say I understand why.



tl;dr
For casuals this system is an enormous grind. For hardcore players there is no reward to get making the grind equally pointless.

[Jaeifer]

I Care! <3 lol Keep up to good work! Its refreshing to actually see people doing rather than complaining. We learn from your success'/mistakes so please continue leading the charge and paving the way! Your making our lives easier by removing the questions/concerns with this new system and for that i Thank you! Takes ballz to do this!

PS. Grats on the ingot! What was the end % on the HQ? Did you start off with NQ matts ? Did you use any specialist skills or was it the trusty old 4star prioritization? How many progress actions did it take to finish? (PbP x3 > RSx2 > CS2 ?)


PPS. What are your thoughts on Alt characters to further enhance our Omnicrafter status'? With 3 Chars thats 1350 scrips per week, surely that should make a dent in the time it takes to progress gear wise. Its seems as though only the gathering items will be tradeable so at the very least 60 MIN/BTN on all the alts would make sense no?

I had 100% HQ, 11 Stacks of IQ with 2 Hasty Touches used at 11 Stacks of IQ - Used NQ Raziqcoat and HQ everything else.
Used some purpose-reclaims to determine numbers - I went full yolo with 4x RS with ING2 + CSII but the safest and cost efficient finisher
is PbPx3, RSx2 + CSII which I will use for the future. And I did not use specialist skills.

To be honest I could not be arsed to have alts to push my Omnicrafting status - I have made some profitable deals with a few MIN and BTN legendaries on my server and asked for support from FC and raid static in exchange for permanent commission-free crafting status and its going quite nicely.

And btw finished products like Aurum Regis Ingots and their red scripts base mats like Raziqcoat are tradable as well.

[Rath]

I very much recall you saying before that you were a top end crafter and implied you made a lot of gil as such. You used this as an argument to give authority to your argumentation that inventory is no issue for you as ''top end crafter''; so why would it be to anyone else?

Actually, I used it as a basis to challenge your inventory "congestion" as you talked about keeping NQ and HQ base mats so you could self-craft HQ mats as needed to save gil, while I reasoned you did not need them if you were a high-end crafter. You also stated you did not keep trash around as you only made high-end items. Then you talked about trashing items like coil drops that are worth 40k. You then went on claim you needed your inventory as you were leveling and it is much harder while leveling. Which I agreed with, and then stopped talking to you as you obviously were not crafting high-end items while leveling and the entire discussion with you was under false pretenses.

Now, as to why I said stop using hardcore numbers to apply to casual players read below.

Scrip gear is intended to allow gatherers and crafters to sufficiently gear up to craft top level items. Not as easily as with penta-melded HQ gear, but still able. This was due to SE acknowledging the gil difference between player groups due to time allowances. So, using this fact alone, can you gear up your crafters and gatherers in a casual manner with the system implemented?

Gatherers: Easily yes. Every 30 minutes a node will spawn that allows you to gather 8-24 scrips from using trailblazer gear, NQ acc, and a slightly melded MH/OH or a HQ mh/oh. The actual gathering only requires 5 minutes or less. Now, using myself as an example, as I am only online 2-3 hours daily in total (not in a stretch). If I decide I want to get scrips I will get 32-96 scrips that day. In between actually gathering those nodes I will craft items for red scrips OR gather items if needed (if I don't want to buy mats). If I happen to be on when a folklore node I have unlocked spawns, I will get that as well. This means at minimum I will get 224 scrips from gathering. Half of the weekly cap, not a big deal as I am a casual player anyways. On average though, I would cap.

Favour nodes: Completely hardcore, and does not apply. Even if you wish SE would make it otherwise.

Crafter scrips: I hit a macro and do something with my kids and come back and do it again when I feel like it. I will also turn off my collectible every once in a while and make a lvl60 OH/MH to sell if that is my turn-in item. That one sale usually pays for 10~ turn in items (I buy logs and quick synth while playing with kids or something, also can sell leftover lumbers for profit). It takes 30~ items to crap crafting scrips. On a side-note, I also convert my MH/OH crafting tools on crp daily as 2 stacks of lumber binds them. They become t3/4 materia. I have only gotten 1 t3 from them though the rest were t4.

Those scrips can be used to get scrip gear. Done.

Crafted gear:Not meant for casual players. Despite wanting SE to make it that way, they have two routes for a reason.

So to sum it up. Red scrips for casuals, favours/crafted gear for hardcores. Those in the middle will get some of both, as will the skilled/determined casuals. This is no different then DoW/DoM Casual/Hardcore progression. Think of red scrips as 24 mans/nm alex, and favours/crafted gear as savage. Remember casual does not mean unskilled. You have many levels of player skills involved. SE may have said it can be done by casual players...but they are not going to just hand it out without putting in some effort. Not until they nerf it and release something new anyways.

Edit: In regard to the cost. All of these mats are still new and the price is inflated accordingly. SE cannot design a system like this with current prices as the basis. This system will still be around in months and people will be laughing at how easy it is. Also, prices are only expensive if you do not take multiple crafts to 60 as crafting your own materials from the MB base materials is under half the cost. Example. Birch lumber 12k-cost to make 3-5k. These items are also available from leve, retainers, and self-gathering. All of which can be done casually. You can also save gil by being an Omni-crafter, it is actually more expensive to solo level a single craft then it is to level them all.

[Hanmerreborn]

Also, prices are only expensive if you do not take multiple crafts to 60 as crafting your own materials from the MB base materials is under half the cost.

This post is hilarious.

Claims Red scripts are for casuals.

Then says all you need is a ton of Gil for mats, or if you want to save Gil, be an omnicrafter and omnigatherer and get all of the materials on their own a month after the expansion hits.

You know, casuals.