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[Hanmerreborn]

Being an Omni-crafter saved me tons of gil and I actually came out ahead.

Ya guys! It\\\\'s as easy as having enough Gil to buy all the mats you need, the gear to make HQ, and be an omnicrafter so you only have to buy the mats rather than the crafted materials!

Or not be lazy and have omnigathering to gather all the materials on their own!

The very definition of the casual player experience. Tons of spare Gil and maxed out 60s across the board.

[Seyb]

The very definition of the casual player experience. Tons of spare Gil and maxed out 60s across the board.

It really depends on what you call casual.
- Casual low level crafter
- Casual endgame (level 60) crafter
- Casual endgame omnicrafter (all or almost all at level 60)
- Casual endgame omnicrafter and omnigatherer

I aim for the last one. This doesn't make me less casual than I am. I don't spend 10 hours a day crafting, but I like spending one day a week on it.

But still, there is no denying that the people with only a few crafts and no gatherers are pretty much screwed because they pay a hefty price for each red scrip. This shouldn't be intended...?
Then again, Rath points out that you can craft your 20 (or 50) red scrip items by buying all mats and still come out without a loss, IF you sell some of the HQ products. Of course, flooding the market with 1 item is never a good thing.:/

[Rath]

It really depends on what you call casual.
- Casual low level crafter
- Casual endgame (level 60) crafter
- Casual endgame omnicrafter (all or almost all at level 60)
- Casual endgame omnicrafter and omnigatherer

I aim for the last one. This doesn't make me less casual than I am. I don't spend 10 hours a day crafting, but I like spending one day a week on it.

But still, there is no denying that the people with only a few crafts and no gatherers are pretty much screwed because they pay a hefty price for each red scrip. This shouldn't be intended...?
Then again, Rath points out that you can craft your 20 (or 50) red scrip items by buying all mats and still come out without a loss, IF you sell some of the HQ products. Of course, flooding the market with 1 item is never a good thing.:/

Which is why I sold 1. I then sold the actual extra materials that I did not use.

There is also another resource people forget about. there friends. I always log in to find moogle mail from some of my friends. Usually with mats in them asking if I can make things for them. Or a request of what mats they need to gather. They ask for anything from gear or materials. I mean it takes me no time to afk quick-synth a stack of lumber for them any longer then it does for myself. They get it when I get to it, and they supply mats and crystals. This actually happens quite often synth expansion....some of them had focused on a single craft like crp only to realize they needed water. So I made them water, no big deal. They provided me with fish sometimes too for my GC turn-ins. Friends are a good resource!

[Unaki]

But still, there is no denying that the people with only a few crafts and no gatherers are pretty much screwed because they pay a hefty price for each red scrip. This shouldn't be intended...?

Are...are you really...?


What?

Please tell me you aren't serious.

[DarthBuzzer]

Are...are you really...?


What?

Please tell me you aren't serious.

Considering you know nothing about how this works, allow me to enlighten you to his point.
2 Stars requires EITHER 100's of millions of gil in mats or 2-3 gatherers at 60 highly melded. You are forced to do 20 hours of gathering a week for a chance to get the mats needed.
And you are forced to have most crafts at 60 because most recipes need 5 other crafts.

[Seyb]

Nice picture. Is that you while you're reading things about crafting? DarthBuzzer already explained my point, but here is another example: A recipe needs materials. Materials are gathered by gatherer classes. These materials are then processed by crafters to create, for example, gear. Some high level gear can be exchanged for red scrips. To gain enough scrips for the week, many crafts are to be exchanged, thus, a lot of materials are to be gathered OR bought. No gatherer = buy materials from others = high gil costs.
The current system seems like an awful gil sink that not many people want to participate in (among other things, but I don't need to relist them all).

[Unaki]

Nice picture. Is that you while you're reading things about crafting? DarthBuzzer already explained my point, but here is another example: A recipe needs materials. Materials are gathered by gatherer classes. These materials are then processed by crafters to create, for example, gear. Some high level gear can be exchanged for red scrips. To gain enough scrips for the week, many crafts are to be exchanged, thus, a lot of materials are to be gathered OR bought. No gatherer = buy materials from others = high gil costs.
The current system seems like an awful gil sink that not many people want to participate in (among other things, but I don't need to relist them all).

I think that even you don't understand the point that you made.

But still, there is no denying that the people with only a few crafts and no gatherers are pretty much screwed because they pay a hefty price for each red scrip. This shouldn't be intended...?

If you meant something entirely different then you should probably fix this, otherwise its looking like you are saying that those that put in no effort to level the relevant gathering class for their class shouldn't be paying as much as they are. All of the vitriol surrounding red scrips is nothing more than a bunch of people crying for instant gratification.

[Seyb]

I think that even you don't understand the point that you made.



If you meant something entirely different then you should probably fix this, otherwise its looking like you are saying that those that put in no effort to level the relevant gathering class for their class shouldn't be paying as much as they are. All of the vitriol surrounding red scrips is nothing more than a bunch of people crying for instant gratification.

No, not at all. Please do more research on this subject. There are many crafters stating valid concerns without exaggerations. You are ignoring them or even worse, say they are crybabies. Discussing about pros and cons is good. But we don't need you to make invalid statements. You are right about one thing. Crafters that don't put as much effort into the gathering/crafting universe should be paying more. But did I ever say anything against that? No. Reread this:

they pay a hefty price for each red scrip

As of now, those crafters would pay insane amounts of gil to cap their red scrips every week. Thus (you omitted my other statemtent), it seems that the system is currently made for omnicrafters with omnigatherers. Other crafters have to wait it out. Is this fun for them? I don't think so. Will it change over time? Probably. Are they all crybabies because of this? No.

You can actually compare this to esoterics. Do people who don't raid or do ex primals need esoterics gear? No, not necessarily.
Do you need red scrips gear for 2 star crafts? No, not if you don't mind melding A LOT.
Does the gear locked behind those two currencies look great and everyone wants to start working towards them? Hell yes!

Do you understand it now?

[Rath]

Considering you know nothing about how this works, allow me to enlighten you to his point.
2 Stars requires EITHER 100's of millions of gil in mats or 2-3 gatherers at 60 highly melded. You are forced to do 20 hours of gathering a week for a chance to get the mats needed.
And you are forced to have most crafts at 60 because most recipes need 5 other crafts.

You can gather the red scrips from the unspoiled node (not the folklore) with trailblazer gear and HQ MH/OH. You can then gather the actual concealed nodes easier. If all you want is better gear, pants/boots from red scrips are an upgrade to even semi-melded HQ gear. They also only require 7 tokens which leaves you able to stock them to buy a 10 token piece on week 3 or use for favour items.

If you want the crafted items, yes it costs more.