Parsers make you stupid

[Kosmos992k]

I can be patient for reasonable reasons, but if your making a dungeon run take double or triple the normal time because your too busy watching TV, or never bothered trying to understand the basics of your dps rotation at 60, I got no time for that.

The thing is, this is not a problem that using a parser can solve. People who can't be bothered to focus on the game, or who haven't learned to play their class are always going to be a liability. Let's be honest, any decent player can tell during play whether anyone is significantly under-performing - without the aid of a parser. A parser is no help in this situation at all, except as a tool to harass another player - which is of course why we don't have a parser already.

[Sakei]

Parsers don't make better players, knowing your class inside and out does. Parser as a tool is good though but not if it causes people to start being dicks and ignoring mechanics just to get higher dps. Tunnel vision I think is top reason why raids wipe.

The worst tank I ever saw had a great parse. It was in EQ2, I was healing and he was out dps'ing all of our dps. It was easy for him since his gear far exceeded everyone else since it was from the top raids at the time. He couldn't hold ago to save his life, literally. The dps couldn't obliterate the mobs in a normal dungeon pickup group like his raid guild buddies. So, the mobs were up long enough that he actually needed to use taunts and tank stance couldn't have hurt either. So, he topped the parse but kept causing everyone to die because of it. Thankfully, he left after only a few pulls.

[Krylo]

If a monk was outdpsing a BRD in a dungeon, you were failing to AoE efficiently.

Aside from how completely it doesn't matter if someone is doing slightly suboptimal DPS on random useless trash pulls:

This isn't even really true, when you're talking about well geared groups near the end of the 2.5 lifetime.

Quick Knock/Wide Volley (rain of death is 100 so we'll ignore it for now) do 110 potency per GCD. Flaming arrow does 35 potency ever 3 seconds. Rockbreaker does 130 potency.

Depending on the size and frequency of the pulls a monk can pop perfect balance, do 130 potency + 15% GL + 5% fists of fire every GCD (adding up to ~156 potency every GCD, or more accurately 137 potency -> 143 potency -> 150 potency -> 156 -> 156 -> PB off = 149 average potency per GCD over the first 5 attacks) AoE on, likely, shorter GCDs (skillspeed bonus from GL) than the bard who is doing about 140 potency (35/3 = 11.6 x 2.5 = 29 potency per GCD--less with a shorter GCD + 110 = 139, I rounded up) every GCD. And that's not even including howling fist, because it's unlikely to hit EVERY enemy, but if you do it brings monk average AoE potency over those first five attacks to 183 (also not counting using steel peak on the main target once during that either).

Depending on how much longer the fight lasts than the perfect balance, which shouldn't be long if you have a bard using the proper AoE rotation on top of this, it's entirely possible for a monk to outdps a Bard on AoE.

Granted that's only if there's enough time before the boss that the monk is using PB on trash knowing they'll have it up for their opener at the boss (or if the monk decides clearing the trash efficiently is more important than having PB for the boss--which is the case sometimes when a tank over pulls and you really need to get rid of this trash before the healer's CDs run out), and if most of the trash dies in like 6 or 7 GCDs, after which the Archer will begin to catch up to and then eclipse the monk again, but assuming a bard being beaten in AoE by monk means shitty bard is. . . wrong. More so now with bard not getting any more AoEs, to the best of my knowledge, while monk picked up Elixir Field (and form shift to allow opening in couerl to rockbreaker -> PB for 6 GCDs of better potency per GCD instead of 5).

TL;DR: In 2.55, over the first 5 GCDs of an encounter a monk averaged about 10 more potency per GCD than a bard if using their AoE rotation--which is, admittedly, limited due to the CDs you have to use.

[Meya]

The worst tank I ever saw had a great parse. It was in EQ2, I was healing and he was out dps'ing all of our dps. It was easy for him since his gear far exceeded everyone else since it was from the top raids at the time. He couldn't hold ago to save his life, literally. The dps couldn't obliterate the mobs in a normal dungeon pickup group like his raid guild buddies. So, the mobs were up long enough that he actually needed to use taunts and tank stance couldn't have hurt either. So, he topped the parse but kept causing everyone to die because of it. Thankfully, he left after only a few pulls.

A parser wouldn't helped in that :P however in EQ2 as a paladin in that game I could ignore tanking aspect and focus on just damage dealing. Not sure why that guy was doing it, maybe he wasn't actually built to tank? His AA could have been spent into the DD part of the tree. EQ2 has a lot more variety in their classes then this game has.

[Sessurea]

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Parsers are good, but stop playing with trash already lol. if someone bat mouthed my dps and I was getting targeted often with mechanics I'd hang him out to dry. It takes a moron to reach that level of stupidity.

[Kona_Nightwind]

High dps can also hold back the party, and when they do remove them? If everyone did that no one would learn. DPS when you can, but not sacrificing survivability. Do not over stress your healer. Also don't ever have to touch a parser to do high dps that comes naturally as you learn your class and how to handle bosses and their mechanics.

Learning is fine, if the group is ok with it. Parsers also show damage taken so you can see what is killing people. But we already have tools to see people who don't do mechanics, eyeballs and healers. You're right about the parser and high dps. You just have to go to a Web page where some math nerd took a bunch of parses and crunched the numbers to figure out the optimal way to play the class. BTW I love you math nerds and all the people who put in the time and work on theory crafting.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Parsers are a tool, tools are not to blame for their missuse, is not a hammer`s fault that someone kills other with it.

The intended use of parsers is to see and evaluate performance, people usually don`t know how to evaluate and how to generate a good evualation and performance increase enviroment, and then, you have mmorpg people which is just worse. They faithfully think they are doing just fine when they say "uhh, you suck scrub, DPS too low". They think they are great and that will motivate you to perform better.

[Meya]

Learning is fine, if the group is ok with it. Parsers also show damage taken so you can see what is killing people. But we already have tools to see people who don't do mechanics, eyeballs and healers. You're right about the parser and high dps. You just have to go to a Web page where some math nerd took a bunch of parses and crunched the numbers to figure out the optimal way to play the class. BTW I love you math nerds and all the people who put in the time and work on theory crafting.

Can a parser show a tank's TP because when I played a ninja I never knew when to throw out a goude >> Think they'd allow us to see TP already.

[Kosmos992k]

Can a parser show a tank's TP because when I played a ninja I never knew when to throw out a goude >> Think they'd allow us to see TP already.

'course the tank could always have a macro to ping party chat with a message, something like; "MT TP < 150, please help."

[Ditto]

There's a reason why that person isn't doing better dps. Bad gear. Not paying attention. Doesn't know mechanics. It's not an uncaused quantum fluctuation. There's a reason for it. If you can't offer up a solution then you're even more useless then the person doing poor dps.

Ah, I see not only are you the type of person who shouts HELP GM IM BEING HARASSED when someone tells you that you need to step your DPS up, you're also the kind of person who doesn't raid (Otherwise you would know that minimum ilvl requirements are a thing), and you have selective reading.

Ok. No point in continuing this then.