Parsers make you stupid

[averageamn]

Definitely not true. A month or two before the expansion, someone was complaining about how I was doing 450 dps on my i118 geared bard in a farming dungeon while his monk buddy was doing like 550 in BiS gear. I was playing bard for fun, and we still finished the dungeon in like 16 minutes or something, so I'm not sure what the problem was.

Also, it's pretty easy for an offtank (especially warrior) to outdamage a melee in A4 if they just stay on the boss the whole time and make the melee handle all of the mechanics they should be handling.

If a monk was outdpsing a BRD in a dungeon, you were failing to AoE efficiently. That's complaint worthy.

Saying "playing for fun" is the most redundant and defeatest thing ever. Everyone plays for fun. Stop using "fun" as an excuse for being terrible.

Also, if an OT is within 100 dps (about how much they'd lose at most doing mechanics) in A4 of a MNK, then there is something very wrong with what the MNK is doing.

[Xystic]

If a monk was outdpsing a BRD in a dungeon, you were failing to AoE efficiently. That's complaint worthy.

Saying "playing for fun" is the most redundant and defeatest thing ever. Everyone plays for fun. Stop using "fun" as an excuse for being terrible.

Also, if an OT is within 100 dps (about how much they'd lose at most doing mechanics) in A4 of a MNK, then there is something very wrong with what the MNK is doing.

This is why we don't allow public parsers. =d

[averageamn]

This is why we don't allow public parsers. =d

Instead of using a one-liner with an era 2000 emoticon, could you expand?

[Xystic]

Stop using "fun" as an excuse for being terrible.

You took numbers off a post to make that comment. Imagine what people would do with actual numbers off a parser.

This is why we don't allow public parsers. =d

[Aethaeryn]

If a monk was outdpsing a BRD in a dungeon, you were failing to AoE efficiently. That's complaint worthy.

Saying "playing for fun" is the most redundant and defeatest thing ever. Everyone plays for fun. Stop using "fun" as an excuse for being terrible.

Also, if an OT is within 100 dps (about how much they'd lose at most doing mechanics) in A4 of a MNK, then there is something very wrong with what the MNK is doing.

I was talking about boss damage for the dungeon thing obviously. People actually parse trash and care about the damage? My just for fun comment was that BRD isn't my main job and I didn't have it in perfect gear like that monk did. Quit being condescending and assuming stuff, please.

Also, considering warriors can apparently put out 1100 dps on dummies (old video on youtube, I don't know what they can do now), I don't think it'd be hard for a warrior to do that on the last phase of A4 if they're just standing in one place and not helping with orbs or anything else.

[Krylo]

If a monk was outdpsing a BRD in a dungeon, you were failing to AoE efficiently.

Aside from how completely it doesn't matter if someone is doing slightly suboptimal DPS on random useless trash pulls:

This isn't even really true, when you're talking about well geared groups near the end of the 2.5 lifetime.

Quick Knock/Wide Volley (rain of death is 100 so we'll ignore it for now) do 110 potency per GCD. Flaming arrow does 35 potency ever 3 seconds. Rockbreaker does 130 potency.

Depending on the size and frequency of the pulls a monk can pop perfect balance, do 130 potency + 15% GL + 5% fists of fire every GCD (adding up to ~156 potency every GCD, or more accurately 137 potency -> 143 potency -> 150 potency -> 156 -> 156 -> PB off = 149 average potency per GCD over the first 5 attacks) AoE on, likely, shorter GCDs (skillspeed bonus from GL) than the bard who is doing about 140 potency (35/3 = 11.6 x 2.5 = 29 potency per GCD--less with a shorter GCD + 110 = 139, I rounded up) every GCD. And that's not even including howling fist, because it's unlikely to hit EVERY enemy, but if you do it brings monk average AoE potency over those first five attacks to 183 (also not counting using steel peak on the main target once during that either).

Depending on how much longer the fight lasts than the perfect balance, which shouldn't be long if you have a bard using the proper AoE rotation on top of this, it's entirely possible for a monk to outdps a Bard on AoE.

Granted that's only if there's enough time before the boss that the monk is using PB on trash knowing they'll have it up for their opener at the boss (or if the monk decides clearing the trash efficiently is more important than having PB for the boss--which is the case sometimes when a tank over pulls and you really need to get rid of this trash before the healer's CDs run out), and if most of the trash dies in like 6 or 7 GCDs, after which the Archer will begin to catch up to and then eclipse the monk again, but assuming a bard being beaten in AoE by monk means shitty bard is. . . wrong. More so now with bard not getting any more AoEs, to the best of my knowledge, while monk picked up Elixir Field (and form shift to allow opening in couerl to rockbreaker -> PB for 6 GCDs of better potency per GCD instead of 5).

TL;DR: In 2.55, over the first 5 GCDs of an encounter a monk averaged about 10 more potency per GCD than a bard if using their AoE rotation--which is, admittedly, limited due to the CDs you have to use.