This patch dropped the ball hard

[Leigaon]

Vertical progression... If your not use to it yet...then only God can help you...

I'm sorry but not even I can help him..he is on his own. Quit bringing me into everything! .....sorry..had to. Anywho...

Wouldn't be a bad thing if like I said it wasn't too restricted. If you go with esoteric gear you're forced into doing Savage Alex to upgrade it to be on terms with upgraded Alex gear.

Right now we're forced to do that, but it's only there for those who want the best gear. To get the best you need to beat the hardest content. You will get the ability to upgrade later when they push the items needed to be obtained in another way. Until then if you are doing content that you can do at a certain iLV, you don't want to do savage..me neither. The content I do want to enjoy requires a lesser iLV so I can stay safe with the non-upgraded version of..what is it called? Tomestones of Bah-weep-graaaaagnah wheep nini bong. Still after that you're just on the "I want it" list. It will come, it's annoying I guess but..oh well.

Wait a bit, you'll get there. It's not hindering your ability to perform but I understand your concern, it will come to you but the initial way of getting gear won't change, yet..I mean "please look forward to it!"

[ZemusM]

It's just, how do you argue with someone who has only ever been taught via previous games that harder raids always mean higher iLvL and that is the only legit way to get better gear?

We understand your argument. The problem is that will NEVER change in an MMO of this type. FFXIV is already the most casual friendly MMO I have seen in years allowing everyone wether they only have 1hr a day or 10hrs a day progress at the same speed. If you can only spare an hour or 2 you can still raid in FFXIV and that is a massive change to the MMO system and why XIV has been a massive success!

I get you both are not into standard MMO mechanics but you ARE playing the wrong game. Being a final fantasy single player fan is irrellivent. Im a massive fan of those games too but they are totally different genres. You are looking for an MMO that is 100% geared toward your style. Guild Wars 2 is your MMO, you will LOVE that game because of how its story and Living story seasons work and gear doesn't matter.

This MMO however is 100% different and simply not for you.

[Tuathaa]

Because YOU say there is NOTHING to do in THIS game. That is an outright lie.

Speaking of lying do you mind telling me exactly where I said there was nothing to do in this game? I will help you out NO WHERE. I said I was bored with the current end game and am leveling alts. Wait isn't that something to do?
At no point in time did I say I did not like mmo mechanics either I said running the
same dungeon over and over again is not for me maybe I would rather fish all day.

[Mhikail]

You play this game to escape your life mm i feel for you do you want a cookie? no? ok good ill move on

You need to either grow up and get out of this topic.
You're being incredibly rude to people on here and keep parroting the same crap every single day.
No one's talking about your atrocious spelling, punctuations or grammar.
So hard to have a debate here without people like this acting a clown.

[ZemusM]

Speaking of lying do you mind telling me exactly where I said there was nothing to do in this game? I will help you out NO WHERE. I said I was bored with the current end game and am leveling alts. Wait isn't that something to do?
At no point in time did I say I did not like mmo mechanics either I said running the
same dungeon over and over again is not for me maybe I would rather fish all day.

You are correct and I apologize I reread the past pages, but it still doesn't excuse the fact that you are complaining you are bored and feel like the only thing you can do is level an alt. In the grand scheme, This game just isn't what you're looking for and there is nothing wrong with that, It won't change the way progression works anytime soon and if it does it will be years from now after it declines in revenue.

There is noting wrong with leveling a gathering class, Fishing is actually fun in this game lol. But running dungeons over and over is standard in every MMO, and even the ones in development not out yet are based on doing that. Don't expect any changes. Even Everquest Next with its grand idea of living world events is going to come down to massive grinds to gear up

[Ayanno]

It won't change the way progression works anytime soon and if it does it will be years from now

Um, this is actually the problem for a lot of folks. we are literally doing the same thing we've been doing for TWO YEARS NOW. Only thing that's changed is the name/color of the tomestone/raid. That's it. I have repeatedly stated I don't mind grinding, what I DO mind is the same exact grind, repeated forever. I've advocated, in this thread and another, to make the cap per job, not per character. This increases the grind, not lowers it. Why do I want this? Personally, because I like playing multiple jobs and want them to look unique, something we can't do with Generic Healer Gear of Tomestone #456928376. I find it fun. Isn't that why people raid? Because they find the challenge fun? Isn't that why we're here?

[ZemusM]

Um, this is actually the problem for a lot of folks. we are literally doing the same thing we've been doing for TWO YEARS NOW. Only thing that's changed is the name/color of the tomestone/raid. That's it. I have repeatedly stated I don't mind grinding, what I DO mind is the same exact grind, repeated forever. I've advocated, in this thread and another, to make the cap per job, not per character. This increases the grind, not lowers it. Why do I want this? Personally, because I like playing multiple jobs and want them to look unique, something we can't do with Generic Healer Gear of Tomestone #456928376. I find it fun. Isn't that why people raid? Because they find the challenge fun? Isn't that why we're here?

Yes, and Revenue in FFXIV is GROWING every quarter. So why would the system change if profit is GROWING? Simple, It won't because SE is doing what the MAJORITY want. You have to remember that on the internet the people that talk about the game are like 1% of the total subscriber base. People who are having fun have no reason to write posts online unless they are fans of the game and feel the need to defend it.

Im not saying the system is perfect, its far from it. But it works and makes money. Its not changing

[Ayanno]

Yes, and Revenue in FFXIV is GROWING every quarter. So why would the system change if profit is GROWING? Simple, It won't because SE is doing what the MAJORITY want. You have to remember that on the internet the people that talk about the game are like 1% of the total subscriber base. People who are having fun have no reason to write posts online unless they are fans of the game and feel the need to defend it.

You have proof of these numbers? Or did you yank them out of the aether?

Regardless: do you really expect people to continue doing the same exact thing forever? As I've said before: there's only so long people are going to put up with the same old song and dance.

[ZemusM]

You have proof of these numbers? Or did you yank them out of the aether?

Regardless: do you really expect people to continue doing the same exact thing forever? As I've said before: there's only so long people are going to put up with the same old song and dance.

No I don't thats why MMO's typically die out after a few years for something new. However the mechanics of said new games still use the same style of loot system that never changes and the cycle repeats itself, The big difference in the past 5 years is that developers have started to focus on story and ignore end game and those games have been failing in less than a year where Final Fantasy XIV has thrived because it keeps getting content updates every quarter.

As for numbers. SE's year over year financial earnings dont' show numbers but credits Final Fantasy 14's sales and rising subscriber numbers as a major focus for continued profit. We know as of a few months ago it was 4.5mil sold. Even if the attach rate is only 20% thats still nearly 1mil subs which is a massive success and growing in an age where entitled children think F2P is the only viable gaming method. If this game had any less, It would NOT have gotten a boxed expansion and would have gone F2P, We know its doing well because of that.

Again I don't think this game is perfect by any means, there are things that could be a LOT better, but they have a nice thing going here that is generating a LOT of monthly income for SE to funnel into rising dev costs of today, you don't mess with that when its working. I do believe that Heavensward is PROBABLY the peak of XIV though. We probably will start to see a decline soon as we start hearing about new games and engines and the hype train moves on. This genre has been quiet for awhile on the AAA front, people are curious about games like Everquest Next that has been very hidden from public eyes and been in dev for like 5 years now

[Colt47]

We understand your argument. The problem is that will NEVER change in an MMO of this type. FFXIV is already the most casual friendly MMO I have seen in years allowing everyone wether they only have 1hr a day or 10hrs a day progress at the same speed. If you can only spare an hour or 2 you can still raid in FFXIV and that is a massive change to the MMO system and why XIV has been a massive success!

After years of posting on forums like this I don't really expect change to come from one persons meanderings, let alone my own. However, making it known that there is something that can be improved in the design of the game can be useful for others who are looking into making future games like this.

That and they very well may coincidentally implement some of the changes I'm pushing for.