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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
    On a side note: Sentinel having 10% more mitigation than its counter parts is irrelevant as it has lower overall damage reduction than vengeance for example. (Taking amount reduced over its up-time against its downtime.)
    I still don't understand why people calculate mitigation this way...average mitigation is not relevant because you don't use mitigation cooldown for auto-attacks.
    Sentinel reduces 10% more damage than its counterpart on one tankbuster and neither cooldown will be ready for the next, so it's better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I still don't understand why people calculate mitigation this way...averegade mitigation is not relevant because you don't use mitigation cooldown for auto-attacks.
    Sentinel reduces 10% more damage than its counterpart on one tankbuster and neither cooldown will be ready for the next, so it's better.
    Actually vengeance is up for every buster in a1 savage so is everything else warrior has except holmgang.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fue View Post
    Actually vengeance is up for every buster in a1 savage so is everything else warrior has except holmgang.
    I haven't done A1S yet.
    One buster every two minute is a really slow pace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I still don't understand why people calculate mitigation this way...average mitigation is not relevant because you don't use mitigation cooldown for auto-attacks.
    Sentinel reduces 10% more damage than its counterpart on one tankbuster and neither cooldown will be ready for the next, so it's better.
    Part of a CD's parameters is Frequency of use. One of the reasons that give WAR a so much of an edge is the frequency/up-time of Inner Beast for example.

    I only brought up average mitigation as a relevant thing when the shield was mentioned. Average mitigation is only useful if the fight has no tank busters, but a flat-line damage intake where every hit is the same damage as the one before.

    In a fight where tank busters are involved, PLD will literally try to mitigate and reduce the damage of every incoming buster. While WAR will inflate its HP for one, and mitigate the next. Hence, PLD is the mitigation tank while WAR isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenicia View Post
    Hence, PLD is the mitigation tank while WAR isn't.
    Well, not realy since WAR will mitigate every tankbuster.

    The best example in 2.x was Odin. Sangetall come at a very fast rate so, as a PLD, you burned your CD really quickly. As a WAR, you could have Inner Beast for each Sangetall (And Storm's Path )

    Of course, now that the level cap has been increased, PLD will use Shelltron like WAR use Inner Beast.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 07-24-2015 at 09:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    I haven't done A1S yet.
    One buster every two minute is a really slow pace
    Warrior is so strong in that fight that it wouldnt suprise me to see a run with two fulltime in deliverance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fue View Post
    Warrior is so strong in that fight that it wouldnt suprise me to see a run with two fulltime in deliverance
    If every buster is magical, can DRK do the same thing without Grit, and relying on DA+Dark Mind to mitigate what matters ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    If every buster is magical, can DRK do the same thing without Grit, and relying on DA+Dark Mind to mitigate what matters ?
    I would assume so. You can always use shadowskin and DA dark mind for it.
    Its going to be big strain on healers though so not sure thats optimal haha c:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fue View Post
    Its going to be big strain on healers though so not sure thats optimal haha c:
    I'll buy them cookies
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    One more thing, I don't understand why Clemency breaks the combo when its being casted?
    SS and Fracture breaks the combos but I might be able to understand that to some extents, but for abilities like Oaths and Celemency that is PLD based I don't find a reason why it would break my own combo
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