Astro in savage

[Sidra]

I think it's more along the lines of "It's hard to clear AS1 with an AST but SCH/WHM rolls right through it".

And that's definitely a problem.

Here's the thing though - no one is really rolling through A1S yet, even with WHM/SCH. For every clear video you see, there's 100+ groups failing you don't see. It's hard to clear it with any combo, and right now only the best players are clearing it with any combination of jobs.

[RichardButte]

Here's the thing though - no one is really rolling through A1S yet, even with WHM/SCH. For every clear video you see, there's 100+ groups failing you don't see. It's hard to clear it with any combo, and right now only the best players are clearing it with any combination of jobs.

From earlier in this thread:

I tried.. i really tried... just attempted with ast/sch, and we just could not get off enough aoe healing and topping people off for the double preys.. faust was a pain healing through as well. tanks died so much for us at 6% with ast healing and mild sch dps.. Switched back to sch/whm, one shot faust, i didn't even have to cast a single heal with me back on sch. boss himself went a lot better as well to heal through. i... really tried... and i'm so upset i'm going back to sch </3

Easy answer.

We had a dps low geared for Faust, going AST/WHM resulted in the Enrage.

I switched to WHM/WHM, resulted in a kill.

The effect of the cards are too much irrelevant so what you only compare is dps AST vs dps WHM. Which is actually revelant.

All the content up till now was healable just fine with ast in the group. I think i expected the same for savage, a little difficulty, but not near what i experienced last night. AST healing in savage is ... REALLY close, it can be done, but it's like.. you have hope you make it and nothing goes wrong. AST healing right now is next to impossible for savage and it shouldn't be like that. We should be able to do all content with any combination of healers just as fine as a whm/sch combo. i shouldn't have to be ripping out my hair kuz benefic II spam, lightspeed, ES, bole can just barely keep tanks alive towards end of faust (on most attempts it's not enough), or have to do twice as much aoe healing at whm for all that aoe in A1 attempting to top people off before double prey then bene II spam on prey and ES if i still happen to have it or if i don't need to toss it on my tank> oh crap now i'm out of mp and can't heal through anything else for the rest of the fight... and that's in the first 2 mins... it's shouldn't be like this. I don't see why AST cannot be put to be just has high heals as whm or sch in either sect they pick. We should not have to sacrifice healing and mp just kuz we also have they cards that just tickle... it just... it should be doable with any combination of healers.... SE pls help

I was playing AST before savage launch. He was really fun and okk to good on any content before savage. But his strength falls a lot when we were doing harder content. I was the SCH and I had my partner playing WHM. Our first atempt at Alex Savage went well, we got Faust quickly and we were adjusting to Oppressor. We had to leave duty because of some member rl thing.

After that, we rejoined. Our WHM went as AST. No changes on Faust honestly but when we got to oppressor we were having trouble to adjust heals in some parts that we already had adjusted on SCH+WHM duo, and since AST's healing kit is so simmilar to WHM, maybe this reveals that AST is really lacking on something. Total party damage per second didn't change much, but I can't say if that was AST or our DPSs are still adjusting themselves to the fight. I know I'm still adjusting my stance dance and mana management.

from what i experienced and this is just the first floor

astro with a white mage partner felt just barely maybe doable and everything was in a constant state of emergency
switched to scholar and it all felt pretty smooth and easygoing for healing

the difference was kind of unbelievable

We've seen enough people in this thread who have tried it as AST and then switched to one of the other healers and noticed a substantial difference in difficulty of clearing the encounter (ie it became much easier).

If all other variables are the same and the only change is switching from AST to another healer, then that's our answer: AST isn't good enough. It's not good enough at healing and it's not good enough at boosting party DPS to end the encounter faster, otherwise this wouldn't be the experience these people are having.

[Assirra]

Here's the thing though - no one is really rolling through A1S yet, even with WHM/SCH. For every clear video you see, there's 100+ groups failing you don't see. It's hard to clear it with any combo, and right now only the best players are clearing it with any combination of jobs.

There are AST's in both this thread and the the one in general where their group straight up asked to switch to another job.
When that happens there indeed an issue.

[Alahra]

There are AST's in both this thread and the the one in general where their group straight up asked to switch to another job.
When that happens there indeed an issue.

Exactly. This happened with BLM and SMN at various points. It happened with DRGs in FCOB. It happened with both melee and WARs in BCOB. In all cases when this has occurred, changes have been made. They will likely be made for AST as well--but it's a matter of how long we'll need to wait for further adjustments now.

[RichardButte]

Exactly. This happened with BLM and SMN at various points. It happened with DRGs in FCOB. It happened with both melee and WARs in BCOB. In all cases when this has occurred, changes have been made. They will likely be made for AST as well--but it's a matter of how long we'll need to wait for further adjustments now.

True, but to be fair, SE DID just ask for feedback...

[Alahra]

True, but to be fair, SE DID just ask for feedback...

Oh, sure. They're pretty good about that. But it's hard to tell with how they've responded to class balance issues in the past how they'll address things now. They've been pretty somewhat inconsistent. Sometimes they've made us wait until the next major patch (2.1 for DRG, MNK, WAR in 2.0, 2.3 for BLMs in 2.2 if I remember right). For SMN, they made them wait for 3.0 when they were getting sidelined in 2.4/2.5. DRG got adjustments in 2.5, I think. Meanwhile, BRD and MCH received very rapid changes recently, and AST did receive some minor adjustments (though the former probably were not enough).