Astro in savage

[RichardButte]

We did 3 lockouts on day one, and it only took 1/2 a lockout on the second day and nearly every attempt was to the end. So i feel it is a very viable comp. Very few wipes were to healing issues.

The problem is that if you're wiping to DPS checks, a WHM/SCH duo allows the SCH to do a hell of a lot more DPS and, as people have been saying in the thread, that's what their experience has been and the content becomes dramatically easier once they switched to this combo.

And that's actually BACKWARDS: the whole point of AST is that you should be making DPS checks faster because of the buffs, and if we're not, then there's NO point to AST at all. :\

I'm guessing that if you had a WHM/SCH combo you'd have just rolled right through it...

[GideonHighmourn]

And that's actually BACKWARDS: the whole point of AST is that you should be making DPS checks faster because of the buffs, and if we're not, then there's NO point to AST at all. :\

I think it should at least be a viable alternative to the WHM/SCH DPS combo. WHM/SCH simply buys far more guaranteed DPS through Cleric Stance for pushing through content than AST/* can buy with minor, unreliable card buffs.

[Staris]

The problem is that if you're wiping to DPS checks, a WHM/SCH duo allows the SCH to do a hell of a lot more DPS and, as people have been saying in the thread, that's what their experience has been and the content becomes dramatically easier once they switched to this combo.

And that's actually BACKWARDS: the whole point of AST is that you should be making DPS checks faster because of the buffs, and if we're not, then there's NO point to AST at all. :\

I'm guessing that if you had a WHM/SCH combo you'd have just rolled right through it...

THe dps gain would have to be greater than that of using dps cards on a dreadworm tranced summoner who is multi dotting.
I think its close enough to be irrelevant.

We have another group about to clear it, using a WHM and their sch is doing nearly identical dps.

I think you are vastly overestimating the differences in actual heals cast and and underestimating the usefulness of synastry and disable

[SuzakuCMX]

We have another group about to clear it, using a WHM and their sch is doing nearly identical dps.

And that's actually BACKWARDS: the whole point of AST is that you should be making DPS checks faster because of the buffs, and if we're not, then there's NO point to AST at all. :\

If AST and SCH output the same DPS per raid but AST's cards are a random buff and it heals for less, how is that balanced?

Another question: is AST worth giving up Selene/Eos buffs, Lustrate, E4E, Supervirus, Adlo crit shields, Shadow Flare slow, and Emergency/Deployment tactics for the card buffs?

[RichardButte]

THe dps gain would have to be greater than that of using dps cards on a dreadworm tranced summoner who is multi dotting.
I think its close enough to be irrelevant.

I think the SCH multi-dotting is more reliable than the 17% chance of a balance.

We have another group about to clear it, using a WHM and their sch is doing nearly identical dps.

We also need to consider the parsing of every player in both groups. It'll only be a valid comparison if the DPS are putting out near identical numbers in both groups.

I think you are vastly overestimating the differences in actual heals cast and and underestimating the usefulness of synastry and disable

SCH/WHM healing capability is vastly superior, as is mana management. That's not even up for debate. SCH is no more than 60 seconds away from restoring 20% of its mana (and then even MORE mana if you burn Aetherflow stacks on recovering more as needed).

SCH also has 6 dots (both miasmas, both bios, Aero and Shadow flare). I'm not saying they can afford to use all of them all the time, but the option is definitely there if they have the spare mana.

But did they fix Disable so it doesn't get triggered by individual auto attacks?

Not trying to downplay your accomplishment. I think it's extremely impressive, but that's just it, it shouldn't be THAT impressive to do this with an AST.

When people are reporting trying with AST and failing then switching to SCH and steamrolling it (with the only thing changing in the group being them switching to SCH and having largely the same gear), then the problem seems clear...