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  1. #61
    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    If you are looking for a clear in A1 at least this week, good luck if you continue to think that way.
    I don't care to clear it first week.

    Never do. They're usually bug filled holes in the first week.
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  2. #62
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    Grotesque's Avatar
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    Alan Turing
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    Shiva
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    I don't care to clear it first week.

    Never do. They're usually bug filled holes in the first week.
    That is a cheap excuse. Except T5, every turn was working fine generally with some adjustments to hinder specific strategies (T12 blackfire). But nowhere they were 'bugfilled' holes. FCOB was also cleared first week. As said, just a cheap excuse for your inability to do it first week.
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  3. #63
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    Ragnar Sigurdsson
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by SonTensei View Post
    unfortunately you dont have the option to not dps, maybe around 3.15
    as an AST its really really hard find time to DPS. And MP is a problem too so i really dont know how can a AST do card management ,healing and 450+dps as people says...

    *Yoshi-P said they calculate the dmg based only on DPS and tank damage so i think healers should have an option to NOT dps if they dont want (or if they arent able to do it like AST at the current state)
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  4. #64
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    Tonberry
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana View Post
    as an AST its really really hard find time to DPS. And MP is a problem too so i really dont know how can a AST do card management ,healing and 450+dps as people says...

    *Yoshi-P said they calculate the dmg based only on DPS and tank damage so i think healers should have an option to NOT dps if they dont want (or if they arent able to do it like AST at the current state)
    If you are only going to do something because of what yoshi said then you are only going to clear it when he wants you to. You may as well not step into A1 right now, it's not possible without healer DPS.
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  5. #65
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    Launched's Avatar
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    Rys Sol
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    Omega
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    I don't care to clear it first week.

    Never do. They're usually bug filled holes in the first week.
    That's your loss. You're missing out on a chance of a drop and a guaranteed token just because you don't want to DPS. You're holding your group back until your tanks and DPS get better gear. Faust and Oppressor are well designed and simple mechanically, and you have a ton of time to throw in a few DoTs. Not buggy either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wobble View Post
    Again I say I'm getting sick of This argument where people like to say if the healer doesn't dps they aren't contributing (pulling their weight) to/with the group. Well don't go in with the two healers and take a couple extra dps along and tell me how far you get when none of them can contribute to your health bar.

    And also I say again gear up first.
    It's true though. Every bit of DPS helps with Faust, and you want as much burst as possible before the second Oppressor spawns so it has less HP. There's nothing to stop you going into Cleric Stance to cast your DoTs, you have stuff like Regen/Aspected Benific/Selene/the other healer to heal while you can't. There are plenty of chances to DPS with no risk like during Resin Bomb cast. Sure, you can wait until you're better geared if you want, but you'll miss several weeks of drops/tokens. Or you could take advantage of your full skillset and clear week one.
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    Last edited by Launched; 07-22-2015 at 05:01 PM.

  6. #66
    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grotesque View Post
    That is a cheap excuse. Except T5, every turn was working fine generally with some adjustments to hinder specific strategies (T12 blackfire). But nowhere they were 'bugfilled' holes. FCOB was also cleared first week. As said, just a cheap excuse for your inability to do it first week.
    Because a 10 year history of games has told me that:

    Raiding on patch day is a bad idea
    New content tends to be buggy as shit for awhile
    "Adjustments" will happen in the next week
    And
    The stress isn't good for my blood pressure.

    That last ones a pretty good excuse if you ask me. But go ahead with the elitism. It's amusing.
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  7. #67
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    sirDarts's Avatar
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 60
    If everyone is safe and MP is not an issue, the healer of course SHOULD DPS.
    There is no reason to sit there twiddling thumbs, or even worse overhealing for no reason.

    But of course this requires a very good knowledge of the fight.
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  8. #68
    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Excalibur
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    Quote Originally Posted by Launched View Post
    That's your loss. You're missing out on a chance of a drop and a guaranteed token just because you don't want to DPS. You're holding your group back until your tanks and DPS get better gear. Faust and Oppressor are well designed and simple mechanically, and you have a ton of time to throw in a few DoTs. Not buggy either.
    My heal comp is WHM/AST.

    We don't care to clear anything first week. Healer dps or no, our actual DPS class damage needs to go up before we can kill anything in there.

    I quit the bleeding edge progression years ago. It was fun 5 years ago, but now, I'm enjoying less migraines and lower blood pressure.
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  9. #69
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    Yorin Liefhart
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Do we know if it's currently required for healers to continue to contribute DPS after Oppressor splits, or should the damage they put out in the first phase be enough? Obviously right now my static is still working out the kinks of the fight, but it feels like damage after the split is too high to risk any time in cleric.
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  10. #70
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Gilgamesh
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by MisterLucie View Post
    Do we know if it's currently required for healers to continue to contribute DPS after Oppressor splits, or should the damage they put out in the first phase be enough? Obviously right now my static is still working out the kinks of the fight, but it feels like damage after the split is too high to risk any time in cleric.
    If your DPS cannot do it without you > No
    If your DPS can make it without you > Yes
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

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