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  1. #31
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    You are simply not going to clear A1 savage without healer DPS contributions for a week or two at least. Everyone who says they don't have to is not getting past even Faust, you should check their achievements they are probably armchair raiders. There's a clear gear check and you're not breaking it at this point without going beyond the call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser View Post
    You are simply not going to clear A1 savage without healer DPS contributions for a week or two at least. Everyone who says they don't have to is not getting past even Faust, you should check their achievements they are probably armchair raiders. There's a clear gear check and you're not breaking it at this point without going beyond the call.
    Ooo ooo ooo I have an idea! Gear up before rushing into it, it's not that hard to do ya know.
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    Last edited by Wobble; 07-22-2015 at 08:59 AM.

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobble View Post
    Ooo ooo ooo I have an idea! Gear up before rushing into it, it's not that hard to do a know.
    Yeah I'm going to wait longer than I need because healers are little whiny brats who want to lawyer their way to average play. Or why don't I just play with healers who do their best, as mine do.
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  4. #34
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    This entire argument is silly. A competent healer who is going to be clearing savage is going to be dpsing whenever possible, and that's all there is to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlyle View Post
    I've heard of 6500 DPS being sufficient to clear... and 8000 DPS being insufficient. The trick, of course, is that this all fails to account for AoE damage sources going on, exact strategies, things like positioning of mobs for auto-AoE parts of the rotation (eg Elixir Drive), etc

    Point is, the requirement on DPS is currently very high, and players are pretty much going to have to have some healer DPS added as well.
    How are healers doing with dpsing without any accuracy? Or did the hardcore groups that already clear do melded acc acc to get around this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Except that Yoshi P said they are counting healer dps in the required amount of dps needed to win in savage.
    Except no, he didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PriscillaX View Post
    or stop being a bad healer and do both healing and dps
    you will soon realize that healers dont have the option of going full dps.


    For faust the WHM can do 800 dps for a little bit, but then needs to heal or the tanks die, then some point afterwards the scholar also has to start healing.
    Lock out of 5 seconds for cleric stance in between isnt recommended when the tank can die in 2 seconds.



    you can cry about healer dps all you want, you still have to learn to play your dps because difference between a good and a bad dps can be 400dps or more and all of WHM dps for Faust is about 300 when he starts healing first and 450 for SCH.



    So maybe its time the dps L2P instead of crying about tank and healer dps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nague View Post
    you will soon realize that healers dont have the option of going full dps.


    For faust the WHM can do 800 dps for a little bit, but then needs to heal or the tanks die, then some point afterwards the scholar also has to start healing.
    Lock out of 5 seconds for cleric stance in between isnt recommended when the tank can die in 2 seconds.



    you can cry about healer dps all you want, you still have to learn to play your dps because difference between a good and a bad dps can be 400dps or more and all of WHM dps for Faust is about 300 when he starts healing first and 450 for SCH.



    So maybe its time the dps L2P instead of crying about tank and healer dps.
    I think some people forget the healers main priority is to heal. I know! Crazy right? Dps at start is fine but the tanks hp can drop fast and cleric lock is bad for that.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    Except no, he didn't.
    They said it wasn't taken into account for normal but for savage yes.
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    Where did the person ever say healers should go full dps? He said healing and dps, and yes you can do this even on oppressor. It's directed at the weird gremlins who don't want to do any dps at all and carry around that yoshi quote as validation, as if any raid group is going to pick them over a healer who does the same healing and some dps because yoshi said so.
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