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    Player
    Orbiaus's Avatar
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    Ririnzo Roronzo
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    Odin
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    Monk Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nague View Post
    you will soon realize that healers dont have the option of going full dps.


    For faust the WHM can do 800 dps for a little bit, but then needs to heal or the tanks die, then some point afterwards the scholar also has to start healing.
    Lock out of 5 seconds for cleric stance in between isnt recommended when the tank can die in 2 seconds.



    you can cry about healer dps all you want, you still have to learn to play your dps because difference between a good and a bad dps can be 400dps or more and all of WHM dps for Faust is about 300 when he starts healing first and 450 for SCH.



    So maybe its time the dps L2P instead of crying about tank and healer dps.
    I think some people forget the healers main priority is to heal. I know! Crazy right? Dps at start is fine but the tanks hp can drop fast and cleric lock is bad for that.
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    Son Tensei
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    Gilgamesh
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nague View Post
    before you cry about healer dps, the actual dps have to gid gud and do their 1.3-1.4k dps on the nonmoving target that doesnt do any AEs or mechanics.

    ANd in the real boss fight afterwards you wont have the healers help you out with dps because they will be kinda busy.
    unfortunately you dont have the option to not dps, maybe around 3.15
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    Ragnar Sigurdsson
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 66
    Quote Originally Posted by SonTensei View Post
    unfortunately you dont have the option to not dps, maybe around 3.15
    as an AST its really really hard find time to DPS. And MP is a problem too so i really dont know how can a AST do card management ,healing and 450+dps as people says...

    *Yoshi-P said they calculate the dmg based only on DPS and tank damage so i think healers should have an option to NOT dps if they dont want (or if they arent able to do it like AST at the current state)
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    Tonberry
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana View Post
    as an AST its really really hard find time to DPS. And MP is a problem too so i really dont know how can a AST do card management ,healing and 450+dps as people says...

    *Yoshi-P said they calculate the dmg based only on DPS and tank damage so i think healers should have an option to NOT dps if they dont want (or if they arent able to do it like AST at the current state)
    If you are only going to do something because of what yoshi said then you are only going to clear it when he wants you to. You may as well not step into A1 right now, it's not possible without healer DPS.
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    Rys Sol
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    Omega
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    I don't care to clear it first week.

    Never do. They're usually bug filled holes in the first week.
    That's your loss. You're missing out on a chance of a drop and a guaranteed token just because you don't want to DPS. You're holding your group back until your tanks and DPS get better gear. Faust and Oppressor are well designed and simple mechanically, and you have a ton of time to throw in a few DoTs. Not buggy either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wobble View Post
    Again I say I'm getting sick of This argument where people like to say if the healer doesn't dps they aren't contributing (pulling their weight) to/with the group. Well don't go in with the two healers and take a couple extra dps along and tell me how far you get when none of them can contribute to your health bar.

    And also I say again gear up first.
    It's true though. Every bit of DPS helps with Faust, and you want as much burst as possible before the second Oppressor spawns so it has less HP. There's nothing to stop you going into Cleric Stance to cast your DoTs, you have stuff like Regen/Aspected Benific/Selene/the other healer to heal while you can't. There are plenty of chances to DPS with no risk like during Resin Bomb cast. Sure, you can wait until you're better geared if you want, but you'll miss several weeks of drops/tokens. Or you could take advantage of your full skillset and clear week one.
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    Last edited by Launched; 07-22-2015 at 05:01 PM.

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    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Raiden
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by BreathlessTao View Post
    No idea about the whole thing at all, but ^this^ is something the devs have said themselves, if I remember correctly, in one of the live letters. That they'd actually be doing this and design the fight with healer DPS in mind. So I guess it's not surprising if it's indeed the case.
    No, they actually said the exact opposite.

    I'm guessing they had 185 ilvl in mind for this zone. And folks playing top notch.
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    Son Tensei
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    Gilgamesh
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    No, they actually said the exact opposite.

    I'm guessing they had 185 ilvl in mind for this zone. And folks playing top notch.
    basically unless your group is top 1% of the world skill wise or waits a couple weeks for more gear, good luck beating a1 savage this week.
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    Rena Ryuugu
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    Coeurl
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    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    Overall as a healer, even if minor, shouldn't be that hard to toss a dot or two on the enemies while healing your team. Though who knows, my statics is diving in as soon as I get off work.
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    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Raiden
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaFox View Post
    Overall as a healer, even if minor, shouldn't be that hard to toss a dot or two on the enemies while healing your team. Though who knows, my statics is diving in as soon as I get off work.
    Swapping into Cleric Stance to do so however, most of the time ends up being a liability in my experience.

    My dots hit for piss without it. Might as well not waste the mana.
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    Lanfear Sessurea
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 60
    for faust our healers both did under 200 dps and it was fine. The stress on healer dps requirement is overstated as usual by the forum. mellee and caster dps = 1350-1400 and rest should be fine.
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    Last edited by Sessurea; 07-22-2015 at 06:38 AM.

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