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  1. #271
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    Tatsuya Arisato
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirana View Post
    VIT: Allows tank to take larger individual hit. Give healers slightly more time to heal. Does *NOT* allow the healers to heal less; that requires mitigation which VIT is not.

    STR: Increases DPS and Enmity. Allows phases to be pushed faster and fights to end sooner in general. Increases tank's self-healing, thus allowing healers to heal slightly less.

    If you have more VIT than is necessary to survive all mechanics, any additional vit is a complete waste. Get STR or you are bad.
    I was about to say this, but you forgot to add one thing my friend!

    STR increases the amount that a PLD Blocks for, and increases how much EVERYONE, not just the Tanks, Parries hits for. So, I feel like the scales are almost even between having STR and VIT since full VIT (personal stat wise) only gives somewhere between around 300-500 ish HP. While VIT gear gives around 800-1500 ish HP, give or take a few points.

    I personally as PLD have 3 VIT gear and 2/3 of my personal stats in VIT if I'm new to the fight. If I DO know the fight, I have maybe 2 VIT gear on (sometimes just one) and 2/3 of my personal stats in STR, as well as either doing full Sword Oath, or if its harder trying to stance dance between Sword Oath and Shield Oath. But that's just my personal play style. I think that there are many different kinda of play styles for each class, and no one style is right. Pick the style that you play well and that feels right to you and you will almost always do your best.
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  2. #272
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronyx View Post
    Well if you want to waste MP and time with probably a 50% chance to hit do it. Anyhow Alexander is still fairly easy because is normal mode, but I'm sure in Savage you wont have time to trying to DPS as a healer. Also enemies should have higher stats so you will miss your spells even more.
    With enough VIT, healer will have time to DPS. Obviously. Acc is a non-issue if healer is properly geared for healing and DPSing, and they should be. WHMs have Holy for a reason. Its not decoration for your skillbar. Similarly, tanks have weapons and stances for a reason. Those aren't decoration for your skillbar either.
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  3. #273
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronyx View Post
    Well if you want to waste MP and time with probably a 50% chance to hit do it. Anyhow Alexander is still fairly easy because is normal mode, but I'm sure in Savage you wont have time to trying to DPS as a healer. Also enemies should have higher stats so you will miss your spells even more.
    I've hit 837 DPS in A1 as WHM. My accuracy was 98%. Current content has no accuracy problems. Savage probably will.
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  4. #274
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tatsuya227 View Post
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    See the patch notes for 3.0 again. They removed str scaling from block/parry mitigation.
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  5. #275
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    All tanks have STR. Next.
    And they can get more...What's your point?
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  6. #276
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirana View Post
    And they can get more...What's your point?
    My point is that "Get STR or your bad" is silly because all tanks have STR. Tanks can get more STR just like they can get more VIT. They are both primary stats. Look at party composition to figure out which one you want to lean towards. It is a highly situational decision.
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  7. #277
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirana View Post
    See the patch notes for 3.0 again. They removed str scaling from block/parry mitigation.
    You still missed the other point I made, its all about how the other player feels and what play style works best for them.
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  8. #278
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    Karse Farrence
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterLucie View Post
    Where in the world did you get 50% from? It's more like 5% chance to miss, if even that. The amount of times I miss even without accuracy is pretty negligible. Please don't just make up random numbers and then try to give advice based on them.
    Ahhh really? So Let me give you numbers....

    So are you trying to say that a Black Mage with i180 gears (Laws) Have an Accuracy of 599 and a WHM with i180 have ONLY Acc of 354 and a WHM have 95% of hit and just 5% missing? Get real .... With Acc 354 You barely scatching the accuracy needed for Second Coil of Bahamut. Any mage including healer need as much acc as a black would need to hit.
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  9. #279
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    My point is that "Get STR or your bad" is silly because all tanks have STR. Tanks can get more STR just like they can get more VIT. They are both primary stats. Look at party composition to figure out which one you want to lean towards. It is a highly situational decision.
    I don't agree, its all up to play style. When I form statics or need new members, I always ask about the persons play style, how do they play that class and not what someone told them. After that, I ask if they play that class because they are good at it, or if they play that class because they like to play it. At the end of the ride night, its always better for people to play at there optimal play style that they enjoy and that they are playing on a job that they like to play on; and its about team work.

    This is also true in PF and DF. Most people these days forget that in PF and DF you are not use to each other or the other persons play styles, and don't stick around long enough to learn that. Yeah, there is a point where you will know if its a lost effort to keep going, but you should never make that call until you have a feel for the party's play styles.
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  10. #280
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirana View Post
    I've hit 837 DPS in A1 as WHM. My accuracy was 98%. Current content has no accuracy problems. Savage probably will.
    You are probably hitting trash monsters not the bosses. With an acc 354 you miss a lot. Current content have no acc problems yeah but thats for all none healers which can easy pass acc 500+ at Lv60 gears.
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