Strength Tanks and You.

[Colt47]

Well, the ultimate story of this all is that if someone wants to start talking about healer / tank relationships, they better darn well have played both at end game at some point or at the very least tried to play a healer or tank in addition to whatever of the two they mained. 90% of these discussions always get fired up because someone playing one role that is commenting doesn't understand the other two roles of the trinity beyond the obvious tag lines of "healers heal people", "tanks take aggro", and "Dps brings the pain".

Also, anyone trying to do math in this game is probably digging a little too deep. The fights should have plenty enough wiggle room with the appropriate gear to not have to be the pinnacle of efficiency to complete, even the savage modes.

[Cousinjimmy]

Harsh reality (DPS) check with the patch today -- savage A1 needs around 7000 DPS to secure a Faust kill -- just to move on to the boss. Suppose all your DPS hits 1250+, you still need to dish out 2000 between tanks and healers.

So all the full vit stackers got a heartily Baka from the devs, hilarious~

Just did an expert roulette today with a full vit war, summoner's if lfrit did more damage than him.

[Gyson]

Harsh reality (DPS) check with the patch today -- savage A1 needs around 7000 DPS to secure a Faust kill -- just to move on to the boss. Suppose all your DPS hits 1250+, you still need to dish out 2000 between tanks and healers.

So all the full vit stackers got a heartily Baka from the devs, hilarious~

If only the developers had added better gear with the release of this pat.. oh wait. They did.

So much for the "heartily Baka".

That aside, reports seem to be ~6500 DPS, with damage roles putting out ~1350-1400 DPS.

That's around 900-1100 DPS that needs to be made up by the tanks and healers. Oh noes.

"Hilarious."

[Tyrial]

If only the developers had added better gear with the release of this pat.. oh wait. They did.

So much for the "heartily Baka".

That aside, reports seem to be ~6500 DPS, with damage roles putting out ~1350-1400 DPS.

That's around 900-1100 DPS that needs to be made up by the tanks and healers. Oh noes.

"Hilarious."

Sure, if you plan to wait 4-5 weeks...

[Peekachu33]

Sure, if you plan to wait 4-5 weeks...

Savage content is balanced around i190/i200 geared parties. That's why esoterics were released today. It's not meant to be done in i160 greens. People who clear the hardest raid content on release day are the exception, not the rule. So grats on world firsts and such, but seriously chill on your expectations for everyone else. There's nothing wrong with VIT tanks running raid content. Both sides of the argument have been thrown about like so much mud in this thread. And if Yoshi and the dev team wants everyone to be super-leet and clearing raid content on day 1, then I'm sure that the team will start slapping STR on all the Fending gear. Until then, parsers be damned, that's not how the development team sees tanks as being geared for clearing content at the pace they have determined to be acceptable. They have metrics, too, for measuring retention and clear rates, death ratios, damage reduction, and all sorts of other figures that go far more in depth than the parsers run on the users end. To think otherswise is slightly entitled and hubristic.

If any of you have followed DCUO, you'd know how absolutely toxic a dps-go-go-go attitude can be to the community and the development of a game. That game is an absolute husk of itself with a community that gives EVE a run for its money. Play the game pleasantly, and if you don't like how others play, stay in group with likeminded folks.

[Tyrial]

So much angst.

Did I push a button? lol You're attacking me and making assumptions as to the type of person I am and how I play based on posts I've made on the forums. You don't play with me, don't judge me. Not once in any post I've made have I intentionally attacked anyone, I've simply defended my opinion that there is a time and a place for STR/Hybrid tanks and it's completely foolish to imply (as so many have) that VIT is the only way to play a tank.

[Zfz]

Sure, if you plan to wait 4-5 weeks...

Or get good DPS instead of asking tanks and healers to carry them?

[SirTaint]

Or get good DPS instead of asking tanks and healers to carry them?

You obviously missed the memo. Even with excellent DPS people are struggling with Faust. At the current gear lvl it takes 8 people DPSing. Tanks can always swap to VIT after Faust is down.

So sad seeing tanks that don't swap gear especially during a dungeon.

[Reivur]

Or alternatively all it means is they didn't balance Savage Alexander with Law Gear in mind. :P

Just like they didn't balance Bahamut's Coil with Philosophy in mind and the majority of raiders were dead-ended for ages until they became excessively skillful or brought their ilvl up with Mythology.

[Deedsie]

There are fights where you can let loose and go sword stance or just try to max your dps out as a tank, but those fights are against bosses that stop continuously beating on you and are trying to do special attacks.

It's not a Heavensward dungeon, but Wanderer's Palace Hard first boss comes to mind. I started turning Grit off for that fight after securing hate since I kept seeing him take only one or two swings at me before turning around to do some fool thing against my team mates to put him down faster.