War MT?

[Kleys]

Let's face it.

- PLD is the worst OT, and even the worst MT.

- WAR is OP. You can't go wrong with WAR, even if you have 2 WAR in your raid. But, you can't afford to be "bad" if you wanna MT.

- DRK is decent, arguably the best MT, and can outdps WAR as OT, but is heavily reliant on the party composition, since it lack the damage debuff from WAR, slashing debuff from WAR/NIN, and extra help from NIN/AST to solve his TP issues (and if you have a NIN, you still need a STR-melee DPS to get the STR bonus).

That being said, the "worst" isn't bad. You can clear every endgame content in this game with 2 PLD in your raid. In fact, I cleared everything with almost always 2 PLD, and I'm gonna clear the upcoming content with almost the worst team composition: 1 DRK 1 PLD, a MNK, no NIN/DRG. At least I got an AST.

This game isn't class-carried. You simply need 2 TANK 2 HEAL 4 DPS and you're good to go. Well, almost. BRD was a requirement for most endgame encouters in ARR, dunno if it will still be true in Heavensward.

[Doudousteve]

Let's face it.

- PLD is the worst OT, and even the worst MT.

What? How did you come to that conclusion?

[Misha_Tameshigiri]

What? How did you come to that conclusion?

PLD has the worst DPS of the 3 tanks and its increased mitigation is only in regards to physical attacks. In heavensward raids (read: Alexander) which are magic damage heavy, it loses its only advantage over the other 2 tanks.

[SpookyGhost]

- WAR is OP. You can't go wrong with WAR, even if you have 2 WAR in your raid.

[Zfz]

The only value of PLD in the current game (which is about to change in three days) is to charge your Limit Break gauge faster.

When you see claims that WAR can tank everything wearing full STR accessories and in their DPS stance and healers supporting that, you know that the PLD is broken when the producer of the game frankly tells you that low PLD dps is the job's identity.

Make no mistake, the full VIT PLD is very valuable in the DF when you don't know what the healers and DPS are going to do. But in a static, it seems to be the consensus that you're just better off with a WAR. Anyone who talks about how important tank dps is and how healers have no trouble healing any tank in dps stance the full time, is necessarily saying that PLD as a job is completely unneeded and a hindrance to the raid.

If you say tank dps is important yet play a PLD, you're wilfully gimping your raid dps.

[Ryahask]

PLD is, and forever will be, the ideal MT. Don't mistake existing content for challenging content. Currently WAR is probably the best MT, but that's not due to an underlying kit that heavily favors MT (Nor is it due to extreme unbalance as I'm sure many will suggest), but rather because the current content is so unbelievably easy that all tanks are equally capable of MT and so as a result, "the best" defaults to the tank who can output the highest numbers (WAR). Most Savage statics will want a PLD as their MT initially and, by my guess, in the long run. If you're looking to MT then PLD is the right choice for you in challenging content. If you're not talking about challenging content it's completely irrelevant.

I'm not sure why so many people here are suggesting PLD is bad. Their mitigation is unparalleled, they have the only valuable "ultimate" tank ability, and they have extremely good utility. I see no scenario where either a DRK or WAR would perform better as a traditional tank than a PLD, even when taking predominantly magic damage. That said, when players are over-geared, content is under-tuned or easy, or when optimizing damage output over mitigation, then yes, PLD falls off, but as a strict mitigation tank there's nothing that beats PLD.

[Twilite]

Sounds like every tank wants to be a DPS but don't won't to play a DPS class.

[repoe]

All tanks are the best MT under different scenarios.

Sounds like every tank wants to be a DPS but don't won't to play a DPS class.

Its the current trend fit optimal performance. Such as in 11 people used to kite kirin then Kraken everything happened. The thing about tanks wearing all str accesories is that is noticeable when someone doesn't know what their doing.
Don't get me wrong I'm one of these str accessory wars as well, but not until I know the fight like the back of me hand

[Doudousteve]

The only value of PLD in the current game (which is about to change in three days) is to charge your Limit Break gauge faster.

When you see claims that WAR can tank everything wearing full STR accessories and in their DPS stance and healers supporting that, you know that the PLD is broken when the producer of the game frankly tells you that low PLD dps is the job's identity.

But in a static, it seems to be the consensus that you're just better off with a WAR. Anyone who talks about how important tank dps is and how healers have no trouble healing any tank in dps stance the full time, is necessarily saying that PLD as a job is completely unneeded and a hindrance to the raid.

Except most healers, at least on the forums, are sick of deliverance war tanks. It might be because most of them are bad, but I'm 100% sure that healers do have a hard time healing str WAR.

[Kleys]

What? How did you come to that conclusion?

PLD :
- Worst DPS out of the 3 tanks classes. Now better than what it used to be, but still.
- Less mitigation than DRK, and WAR have Inner Beast which is the best defensive skill in this game since 2.1.
- Most ppl say it's the "best" tank against physical damage. It's simply wrong. Block/Parry is RNG, thus not reliable, and Halone combo is too weak.
- Doesn't increase DPS for other party members (WAR increase Tanks and NIN's DPS).
- Has the weakest damage debuff (-5% STR).
- Run out of TP in most fights. WAR now have TP restore and damaging GCD that doesn't cost TP, and yeah this is bullshit. DRK also have huge issues with TP, but will never be as useless as any other classes out of PT since it can maintain ~70% of its DPS with MP only, and your overall DPS will only decrease by ~12% if you're fighting for 8min straight without jump phase or any help for your TP.

Since 2.1, you can clear every endgame content (savage included) with 2 WAR that aren't even max VIT.

And healers that have trouble healing tanks are simply bad. Tanks can survive to any tank buster with only 1 CD if healers do their job properly (really it's almost all about the SCH).