War MT?

[Zfz]

The only value of PLD in the current game (which is about to change in three days) is to charge your Limit Break gauge faster.

When you see claims that WAR can tank everything wearing full STR accessories and in their DPS stance and healers supporting that, you know that the PLD is broken when the producer of the game frankly tells you that low PLD dps is the job's identity.

Make no mistake, the full VIT PLD is very valuable in the DF when you don't know what the healers and DPS are going to do. But in a static, it seems to be the consensus that you're just better off with a WAR. Anyone who talks about how important tank dps is and how healers have no trouble healing any tank in dps stance the full time, is necessarily saying that PLD as a job is completely unneeded and a hindrance to the raid.

If you say tank dps is important yet play a PLD, you're wilfully gimping your raid dps.

[Ryahask]

PLD is, and forever will be, the ideal MT. Don't mistake existing content for challenging content. Currently WAR is probably the best MT, but that's not due to an underlying kit that heavily favors MT (Nor is it due to extreme unbalance as I'm sure many will suggest), but rather because the current content is so unbelievably easy that all tanks are equally capable of MT and so as a result, "the best" defaults to the tank who can output the highest numbers (WAR). Most Savage statics will want a PLD as their MT initially and, by my guess, in the long run. If you're looking to MT then PLD is the right choice for you in challenging content. If you're not talking about challenging content it's completely irrelevant.

I'm not sure why so many people here are suggesting PLD is bad. Their mitigation is unparalleled, they have the only valuable "ultimate" tank ability, and they have extremely good utility. I see no scenario where either a DRK or WAR would perform better as a traditional tank than a PLD, even when taking predominantly magic damage. That said, when players are over-geared, content is under-tuned or easy, or when optimizing damage output over mitigation, then yes, PLD falls off, but as a strict mitigation tank there's nothing that beats PLD.

[Doudousteve]

The only value of PLD in the current game (which is about to change in three days) is to charge your Limit Break gauge faster.

When you see claims that WAR can tank everything wearing full STR accessories and in their DPS stance and healers supporting that, you know that the PLD is broken when the producer of the game frankly tells you that low PLD dps is the job's identity.

But in a static, it seems to be the consensus that you're just better off with a WAR. Anyone who talks about how important tank dps is and how healers have no trouble healing any tank in dps stance the full time, is necessarily saying that PLD as a job is completely unneeded and a hindrance to the raid.

Except most healers, at least on the forums, are sick of deliverance war tanks. It might be because most of them are bad, but I'm 100% sure that healers do have a hard time healing str WAR.

[rawker]

Except most healers, at least on the forums, are sick of deliverance war tanks. It might be because most of them are bad, but I'm 100% sure that healers do have a hard time healing str WAR.

umm... basically every tank out of their tank stance pulling large mobs.

[Twilite]

Sounds like every tank wants to be a DPS but don't won't to play a DPS class.

[repoe]

All tanks are the best MT under different scenarios.

Sounds like every tank wants to be a DPS but don't won't to play a DPS class.

Its the current trend fit optimal performance. Such as in 11 people used to kite kirin then Kraken everything happened. The thing about tanks wearing all str accesories is that is noticeable when someone doesn't know what their doing.
Don't get me wrong I'm one of these str accessory wars as well, but not until I know the fight like the back of me hand

[Khalithar]

I really don't think it matters which tank you use in the current hardest content (Alexander) except maybe in A4.

A1- Both tanks can take either Oppressor and don't tank the adds anyway. Though for the mini-boss I'd rather have a War or Drk tanking it just to speed it up a little more.

A2- The only adds that are remotely dangerous are the Jagd dolls and if your dps on the tank is doing their job and the healers are still awake by that point, you're fine.

A3- I started doing the strat where you have the whole raid soak the cleave together, then the only dangerous thing is the boss auto attack in that phase which is easy enough to deal with since the cleave damage becomes negligible. In the last phase, so long as your tanks are swapping correctly on their stacks it's also fine.

A4- Now here, I much prefer to have the warrior or drk MT here while I OT, mostly because I've played with both that have been able to use their cooldowns to eat every Perpetual Ray without the need for a tank swap. That in turn freed me up as a Pld to cast my heal and stoneskin on the tanks and the healers while soaking orbs myself.

[ZhycranaDranix]

Point is Taint you stated that PLDs are behind in Alexander which we aren't period ?
WAY behind is too excessive in this case, and I did average for me. I don't pop food as a PLD in raids I know its not needed nore do I throw up POTs, but if you can maintain 700+ DPS w/o food/pots as a PLD then I'm playing my job wrong and I'll reconsider my rotation. Oh and noted this is without coming out of Shield Oath , are these OT #s because starting with 20% of your damage gone I can only imagine you being out of Shield Oath your PLD pulling close to 850ish DPS then ?
No sarcasm I truly applaud you and all PLDs out there pumping 700 dps in Shield Oath if Im wrong
But anyways

I like the other 2 tanks , and what they bring to the table ,but in Alex The SO CALLED Heavy Magic Damage I've yet to see...given that our three biggest CDs can wipe the floor with any Current Magical Attack IN the game considering that they don't only block Physical but Magical as well ?

Look at our CDs

Rampart - All Damage
Sentinel - All damage
Hallowed Ground - All damage

Hasn't been an encounter yet to where I can't weave these three in and not having to worry about dying. You guys are taking this ''Magic Damage'' too far ,
Last Phase Of Alex A4 is the only Magic Damage heavy phase in Alex which can easily be handled by PLDs
STR Debuff alr applied to target at pretty much a 100% up keep, which are pretty much all cleaves and frontal swipes/autoattacks reduced

Cross Class- WARs phsycial CD

[Perzeval]

No sarcasm I truly applaud you and all PLDs out there pumping 700 dps in Shield Oath if Im wrong

But why do you even tank Alexander in Shield oath? Except for MT role in A4 there is little reason to do so, even when pugging. :/

[ZhycranaDranix]

But why do you even tank Alexander in Shield oath? Except for MT role in A4 there is little reason to do so, even when pugging. :/

A1 I sheild oath until the split after that I'm out ..... which is why my dps scraps around 581ish im sure if I sword oath right after gaining agro itll be upwards of 700 but I choose not to

A2 Jag Dolls hit hard , even in shield oath , I hate all these unrealistic tanks , if I can mitigate damage for healers Im going to do it and agro hold is important here so yes Shield oath is a must and if youre the true main tank here you're holding multiple enemies at time.

A3 After gaining agro , I switch to sword oath , occasionally switching in out through out the add phase

A4 Gain agro on the leg , and sword oath , P4 shield oath