Why do people hate Bards so much??

[LunaHoshino]

I think it's a function of the fact that a lot of people are attracted to BRD because it's an "easy" DPS class. And yes, compared to melee, it is quite easy, but plenty of people use that as an excuse to be lazy. I ended up in story Ifrit with another BRD the other day and the only Venomous Shot DoTs I saw on Ifrit the entire time were mine. I guess people like that just assume that no one will notice if they aren't using their DoTs or something...

[UBERHAXED]

It's actually both. Animation locks combined with cast times makes for a very clumsy gameplay if the animations don't actually accommodate the cast times.

You don't seem to understand what an animation lock is. When you use jump, you cannot move your character despite using the mouse/keyboard/controller to command you character to move. This caused the majority of deaths for dragoons in fights like titan. Even worse though, it made you be in two places at once. If you can move to interrupt your cast or oGCD (which isn't animation locked) then it's not animation locked. What you are talking about is not animation lock. It's the delay due to animation, which are on all skill. For example, holy has cast time, but the action doesn't occur until the animation completes (as is the case with skills off GCD, like benediction and HG). They balance this so they can adjust skills without adding cast time to them.

[Nestama]

Please, Charge... Charge time. Is unaffected by Silence. I hate the 'Cast Bar' graphic. It's bloody inaccurate. The charge time does not even match up to the Cast Times on GCD spells as either. They really should do more to differentiate the two visually.

If you want, you could turn the Progress Bar off in the HUD.

[RiceisNice]

...but the action doesn't occur until the animation completes. They balance this so they can adjust skills without adding cast time to them.

And this is in full force for bard with the cast times, and how their animations are not changed to accomidate it. Trying to get the procs off heavy shot is even worse than firestarter even if you use an oGCD skill to cancel heavy shot's animation. And to add on, you can't use skills right after another until part of it's animation goes through, like how you can't do jump until you're half way into your full thrust animation. Bloodletter (or rain of death if you're multidotting for AoE) can reset off DoT crits, and it really doesn't work well with the amount of oGCD damage skills you use and the cast time; it creates a very fragmented flow of gameplay that feels very awkward to dance with.

[UBERHAXED]

And this is in full force for bard with the cast times, and how their animations are not changed to accomidate it. Trying to get the procs off heavy shot is even worse than firestarter even if you use an oGCD skill to cancel heavy shot's animation. And to add on, you can't use skills right after another until part of it's animation goes through, like how you can't do jump until you're half way into your full thrust animation. Bloodletter (or rain of death if you're multidotting for AoE) can reset off DoT crits, and it really doesn't work well with the amount of oGCD damage skills you use and the cast time; it creates a very fragmented flow of gameplay that feels very awkward to dance with.

Every job has this though. The difference is that bards get a 1 second lead time compared to casters (you actually aren't firing arrows due to game physics reasons so the animations are short). Of course, melee are get a longer lead time until the next actions, but the animations are naturally longer anyway. For example, the animation for fire does complete until 1 second unto the next GCD, so even if you did magically see the future an know that you will get a thundercloud or fire starter and began to cast on the next GCD, you will end of hard casting an not using the proc. It is impossible to use a proc like this for BLM due to cast times lining up with GCD but bards don't have this problem.

[SkyfangRauss]

i dont like bards because i havent seen a single one use any of thier songs other than WM

no foe req, no tp song, no mp song when the healers stressed, not even friggin swiftsong. nothing.

this is literally every single bard i come across in DF

[Shyluv]

I don't hate bards. A lot can be annoying though. Before the expansion, they'd be clear on the other side of the arena, running back and forth even when there wasn't any aoe to dodge. Now, they stand in aoe so they don't interrupt their casting/dps.

[PopeHat]

i dont like bards because i havent seen a single one use any of thier songs other than WM

no foe req, no tp song, no mp song when the healers stressed, not even friggin swiftsong. nothing.

this is literally every single bard i come across in DF

I know the tooltip says you can sing other songs in addition to Wanders Minuet, but I'm a Bard not a DJ. One song at a time, don't ruin my immersion.

[Ferrasper]

i dont like bards because i havent seen a single one use any of thier songs other than WM

no foe req, no tp song, no mp song when the healers stressed, not even friggin swiftsong. nothing.

this is literally every single bard i come across in DF

It's a Catch 22. If they use their other songs, people complain about them not doing enough dps. If they just use WM, people complain about them not using songs. WM needs to be separate from songs.

[PotatoWafflez]

It's a Catch 22. If they use their other songs, people complain about them not doing enough dps. If they just use WM, people complain about them not using songs. WM needs to be separate from songs.

WM is separate from songs it uses no MP and can be sung with any other song?