Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[Krylo]

Making and using guides is not the same as saying "Go watch a video" for every dungeon in game. People say "Go watch a video" for completely irrelevant/easy/mid level dungeons. Again if it was some super hard raid I can understand reading up on a guide. Players that actually want to progress should do that but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Except nobody is saying 'Watch a video for every fight'. What they are saying is: If you don't want to go in blind, read a guide/watch a video don't put that on other people. Or, at the very least, don't complain if other people don't want to explain mechanics/don't explain them well enough. If you DO want to go in blind then do that. It's fine.

Literally no one in this thread has suggested going in blind is bad or that you ALWAYS have to watch a video. Just that if you don't like going in blind that's on you, not the 3-7 other random people DF happens to drop on you (who might not even know the fight, either--or at least not well enough to reliably explain it, given that DF gives priority to newbies and the content is still pretty new).

[Terribad]

Except nobody is saying 'Watch a video for every fight'. What they are saying is: If you don't want to go in blind, read a guide/watch a video don't put that on other people. Or, at the very least, don't complain if other people don't want to explain mechanics/don't explain them well enough. If you DO want to go in blind then do that. It's fine.

Literally no one in this thread has suggested going in blind is bad or that you ALWAYS have to watch a video. Just that if you don't like going in blind that's on you, not the 3-7 other random people DF happens to drop on you (who might not even know the fight, either--or at least not well enough to reliably explain it, given that DF gives priority to newbies and the content is still pretty new).

You haven't been in the runs I've been in. The only instances I've entered where no one said that were the first 2 dungeons. I never said anyone in this particular thread said it was bad, my question just general. I'm not saying people should expect people to explain things to them. But my question is why don't they? This is usual mmo rules in majority of ever other mmo it just seems strange in an easy mmo with very few mechanics people would act this way.

Because people want to farm tomes and gears as fast as possible and not waste time.

People farm dungeons in almost every mmo. They usually rush and if a new person joins they explain what's going to happen.

[Elim]

This is usual mmo rules in majority of ever other mmo

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Not in other MMOs I've played. Including SWTOR. Most people in SWTOR would go "lolscrub get out" and kick a newbie without a second thought. And they wouldn't get in trouble because the GMs there don't care. FF14 is one of the most friendliest MMOs I've played, probably because you can actually get in trouble for being a jerk.

[Terribad]

Not in other MMOs I've played. Including SWTOR. Most people in SWTOR would go "lolscrub get out" and kick a newbie without a second thought. And they wouldn't get in trouble because the GMs there don't care. FF14 is one of the most friendliest MMOs I've played, probably because you can actually get in trouble for being a jerk.

Majority =/= all. Which is why I didn't say all. I'm 100% positive there are other mmos where people are jerks to newbies.

To save on daily posts.

Maybe it's a rule in some, but I highly doubt in the majority.

I've been playing mmorpgs for a VERY long time and I've played (to end game) almost every mmo out there. General rule in majority of mmos is to give a brief run down before fights (or at the start, whatever). Yes there will be people that kick and it's usually in harder content (Which is usually harder than the hardest content here, go figure) and sometimes it's not. But the general rule for this game is "Watch a video" or get kicked out, regardless of the difficulty level.

[Elim]

Majority =/= all. Which is why I didn't say all. I'm 100% positive there are other mmos where people are jerks to newbies.

Maybe it's a rule in some, but I highly doubt in the majority.

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I've been playing mmorpgs for a VERY long time and I've played (to end game) almost every mmo out there. General rule in majority of mmos is to give a brief run down before fights (or at the start, whatever).

That's nice, but it doesn't persuade me.

[LunaHoshino]

But my question is why don't they?

1. Because they're tired of explaining things
2. Because they're still fairly new to the fight and don't have a solid grasp of the mechanics themselves
3. Because they don't know the mechanics for the role that is asking for explanations
4. Because they play on a console and don't have a keyboard to type with
5. Because English isn't their first language
6. Because they aren't good at explaining mechanics
7. Because they just plain don't feel like it

There are lots of reasons why someone can't/won't give explanations of mechanics.

[Terribad]

1. Because they're tired of explaining things
2. Because they're still fairly new to the fight and don't have a solid grasp of the mechanics themselves
3. Because they don't know the mechanics for the role that is asking for explanations
4. Because they play on a console and don't have a keyboard to type with
5. Because English isn't their first language
6. Because they aren't good at explaining mechanics
7. Because they just plain don't feel like it

There are lots of reasons why someone can't/won't give explanations of mechanics.

So none of this stuff happens in other mmorpgs?

Obviously strangers aren't obligated to do anything but player their class and different people will have many different reasons. I still just find it weird that majority of people are like that in this game. But eh, oh well.

[LunaHoshino]

So none of this stuff happens in other mmorpgs?

It sure happened in Ragnarok Online back when I played that. People were way worse about it, too.

[Terribad]

It sure happened in Ragnarok Online back when I played that. People were way worse about it, too.

Like I said earlier, I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other mmos I'm 100% positive it does, in fact I KNOW it does. I've seen it, I've played games where a nice chunk of players didn't do X dungeon and they played for months to years cause no one would take first timers. But most game's I've played, majority of the people were not that way and if they were it was justifiable(I don't think being a jerk is ok, but not taking newbies that wanted to go in blind,etc) because the content was actually hard.

[LunaHoshino]

Like I said earlier, I'm not saying it doesn't happen in other mmos I'm 100% positive it does, in fact I KNOW it does. I've seen it, I've played games where a nice chunk of players didn't do X dungeon and they played for months to years cause no one would take first timers. But most game's I've played, majority of the people were not that way and if they were it was justifiable(I don't think being a jerk is ok, but not taking newbies that wanted to go in blind,etc) because the content was actually hard.

What it basically boils down to is that no one is obligated to do something they don't want to. If someone doesn't want to/can't take the time to explain mechanics for whatever reason, they shouldn't feel like they are forced into doing so, or that they are somehow a bad person if they don't do it. Promoting the attitude that it is the responsibility of veteran players to teach newbies is a great way to make the vets end up feeling burned out and resentful for being expected to play teacher all the time when all they really want to do is play the game. Not everyone enjoys teaching, and there's nothing wrong with that. They shouldn't feel like it's expected of them if they don't like it.