Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[SuperZay]

When I do my first run of any fungeon or a raid, I always go in blind and turn off party chat to avoid mechanics spoilers.
Maybe it's selfish but it's more fun this way. When, and only when I'll cause wipes I'll ask for explanation.
I also watch guide videos only after experiencing Ex primals blindly.

[Terribad]

By other MMORPG do you mean Wow, Tera, Swtor, FFXI. Then yes its common practice, people where making and using guides for fights long before A realm reborn

never mind the MMORPG there are guides for normal many genre of games PC and console, they are just not optional because you are the only one playing, in most cases.

Making and using guides is not the same as saying "Go watch a video" for every dungeon in game. People say "Go watch a video" for completely irrelevant/easy/mid level dungeons. Again if it was some super hard raid I can understand reading up on a guide. Players that actually want to progress should do that but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

[Stupiduglytaru]

What makes me laugh, on all previous content if you were a new player were to join in months after everyone said watch video etc, HOW DARE YOU GO IN BLIND! If you want to go in BLIND then do the content when its new, unfortunately "new" actually translates to the first 20minutes of the server going back up from content release.

[Sapphic]

If those who are 'vets' get tired of explaining something, I hate to see how miserable they are IRL.

Thig is, their are players happy to explain fights in indepth detail, they then proceed to post them on the internet where they are accesible to anyone and everyone with an internet connection. Which you can read at your own pace, instead of expecting some random player to type it out inside DF, Putting an unnecessary burden that they do not have to oblige to.

I go in blind, when it isn't the first week of release with friends who also want to go in blind, and we learn it together. But if it was dated content then I would put in the small effort to research the fight and then if I'm not sure about a mechanic, I ask for clarification from someone who has done it. Then I would go in. A party, whether it's a static, party finder or Duty Finder isn't just about you. You are one cog that if all operate as they should, it works. Learn to be a team player and think of the other members before joining. Instead of just yourself. Think of how you want them to be, and be that way yourself. If you want/expect them to teach you, use the resources available and teach yourself.

I don't explain when taking a new person whos part of the FC. I'll let them try blind, then guide them if they fail to understand certain mechanics. But most of the work will be their side, not mine. I'll also do that with a new to FFXIV player in DF. I'll give them benefit of the doubt that they aren't lazy and just give hints where I think they could improve to guide them to being a better player.
I have no tolerance for players who are arrogant and refuse to take advice, lazy who didn't even read ability tooltips and those who queue for content they have zero knowledge of whilst picking a language they cannot communicate in. Those kinds of players are selfish and their attitude is all wrong for team based content.

In other words, make an effort, put yourself in the shoes of those you expect to teach you everything first.

[shape]

Who knows i'm one of those Vets and my reasons for rarely explaining tactics comes down to more then being fed up of doing so.

I know that my explanation of a fight is going to be crap in comparison to an online text guide quickly, even scanning an online text based guide would be better here is an example
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tldr_strategy/

Would I give the new player time to look up the information yes, it gives me time to eat crisps or drink coffee etc.

And can people please stop being bloody literal about posts when I say people have been making guides for games for long long long time, allot of people make it mandatory to at least learn about the content(I thought this was obvious)
try playing Warhammer 40k without reading the guides, the whole game is based around rules and guides( not the PC game the table top version)

Watching or even reading a guide will not stop you from messing up, in most cases. It does decrease the amount of time it takes to learn the fight, also in most cases

[MilesSaintboroguh]

In no other mmo does anyone ever say "watch a video" in regards to running dungeons/raids. Why is that so common here?

Because people want to farm tomes and gears as fast as possible and not waste time.

[Krylo]

Making and using guides is not the same as saying "Go watch a video" for every dungeon in game. People say "Go watch a video" for completely irrelevant/easy/mid level dungeons. Again if it was some super hard raid I can understand reading up on a guide. Players that actually want to progress should do that but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Except nobody is saying 'Watch a video for every fight'. What they are saying is: If you don't want to go in blind, read a guide/watch a video don't put that on other people. Or, at the very least, don't complain if other people don't want to explain mechanics/don't explain them well enough. If you DO want to go in blind then do that. It's fine.

Literally no one in this thread has suggested going in blind is bad or that you ALWAYS have to watch a video. Just that if you don't like going in blind that's on you, not the 3-7 other random people DF happens to drop on you (who might not even know the fight, either--or at least not well enough to reliably explain it, given that DF gives priority to newbies and the content is still pretty new).

[Kiara1]

This is a huge problem in this game, but i cannot figure out a way to fix it.
If you don't do the things they release on day one people might be mad at you for not watching a video.

The thing is, the actual good players are the one that figures out mechanics on the go. The bad ones need to watch videos.
But in their eyes its "oh you didn't watch a video, you suck noob!"

People who have to watch a video to learn a fight are the bad players imo

[Terribad]

Except nobody is saying 'Watch a video for every fight'. What they are saying is: If you don't want to go in blind, read a guide/watch a video don't put that on other people. Or, at the very least, don't complain if other people don't want to explain mechanics/don't explain them well enough. If you DO want to go in blind then do that. It's fine.

Literally no one in this thread has suggested going in blind is bad or that you ALWAYS have to watch a video. Just that if you don't like going in blind that's on you, not the 3-7 other random people DF happens to drop on you (who might not even know the fight, either--or at least not well enough to reliably explain it, given that DF gives priority to newbies and the content is still pretty new).

You haven't been in the runs I've been in. The only instances I've entered where no one said that were the first 2 dungeons. I never said anyone in this particular thread said it was bad, my question just general. I'm not saying people should expect people to explain things to them. But my question is why don't they? This is usual mmo rules in majority of ever other mmo it just seems strange in an easy mmo with very few mechanics people would act this way.

Because people want to farm tomes and gears as fast as possible and not waste time.

People farm dungeons in almost every mmo. They usually rush and if a new person joins they explain what's going to happen.

[Kowen]

When I do my first run of any fungeon or a raid, I always go in blind and turn off party chat to avoid mechanics spoilers.
Maybe it's selfish but it's more fun this way. When, and only when I'll cause wipes I'll ask for explanation.
I also watch guide videos only after experiencing Ex primals blindly.

Reminds me of a time I got Ravana HM in trial roulette. Someone said right at the start that they were turning off party chat because it was more fun to experience the fight fresh.

Needless to say, they got knocked out of the arena right at the beginning and spent the rest of the encounter on the ground. It's just kind of ironic... I have a feeling being dead the whole time probably wasn't the fun experience he was going for.