Strength Tanks and You.

[Eye_Gore]

Starting to get the picture yet?

None of that answered the question I asked that you quoted.

[Khemorex]

Nowhere did I say that tank DPS is required to win a fight. I said it helps. It helps prevent adds from living long enough to be dangerous and it helps healer MP by ensuring no element of the fight drags out too long.

Do you have trouble with reading comprehension along with being a team player?

how should me having str gear save healer mp when they have to heal me all the time when my hp drops below 30%? :P

[Tyrial]

so doing my combos as it supposed to be is not enough? :P

It's only enough if you're looking at the bare minimum that you need to do, providing you're holding aggro still and hitting CDs when needed. But again, if you're already able to manage doing that, why not get the most out of yourself and contribute as much as you can? A brand new tank should never be going full STR or trying to do any sort of large pulls, but there's no reason that a veteran tank can't providing he's playing with other skilled people and understands the ins and outs of the class. If tanks weren't meant to do damage then there aggro combo wouldn't do damage, they'd have nothing but things like Flash that strictly increased their enmity and did nothing else.

You're only looking at the extreme view point that tanks are tanks and that's it and their only job is to hit 1, 2, 3 and pop CDs as needed.

how should me having str gear save healer mp when they have to heal me all the time when my hp drops below 30%? :P

If your HP is constantly dropping below 30% to the point where your healer is able to do nothing but spam heal you then you're doing something wrong and should take a step back and look at how you're playing.

None of that answered the question I asked that you quoted.

May not have directly answered it, but when these fights first came out there were numerous factors that determined winning and losing. Tank DPS most definitely played a factor in the early wins. People were doing these fights undergeared with melded crafting stuff in order to reach DPS checks. This included tanks running in fully pentamelded accessories to maximize their ability to handle the tank busters AND help push DPS.

[Marxam]

Only problem with STR tanking is that new tanks hear that STR > VIT and these new tanks simply don't know how to manage their defensive cool downs. Combined with the mentality that they must pull most of the rooms mob = sad healers. Or a wipe.

Pretty much this. I was lvling monk and got in a df sohm al with a war who thought he could tank the first entire set of mobs in Deliverance. He died soon after and became a whiny cry-baby not accepting raises and just staying on the floor while me and the other dps were killing the adds one by one. He then raged quit blaming the healer for bad heals. I thought it was both hilarious and sad that his caption said he was a dps main. /facepalm.

fyi the whole str > vit debate only occurred after FCOB and around 2.5 when str scaled really well with mitigation of block and parry so it was a good thing to have in ARR after you have reached a vit cap of around 10-11k in Defiance. In HW its just a e-peen ruler for wannabe dps to think they can deal damage while take it as well. STR is only good for aggro and damage now as parry and block are fixed to the gear you have.

TLDR: If you're new to tank go VIT. If you've been tanking since 2.0 go str. If you're a dps using war with only str accessories thinking you're a dps gtfo, its a tank.

[shao32]

Starting to get the picture yet?

t9 is solo tank, the mt dps diference not change the battle much

[Khemorex]

snip.

i think u guys lost the initial OP in here , in wich the healer complained about undergeared tanks going in full str mode , wich dosnt help at all , this topic isnt about end game raiding if u want to discuss ur end game stuff pls make ur own thread

[Tyrial]

i think u guys lost the initial OP in here , in wich the healer complained about undergeared tanks going in full str mode , wich dosnt help at all , this topic isnt about end game raiding if u want to discuss ur end game stuff pls make ur own thread

I didn't lose the point of the initial OP, but the topic of discussion changed. It went from the OP complaining about tanks who don't know wtf they're doing using full STR stuff to people coming in and preaching that STR accessories are the Devil and a tanks' only job is to stack VIT and get kicked in the face repeatedly, which is wrong.

[Kiteless]

fyi the whole str > vit debate only occurred after FCOB and around 2.5 when str scaled really well with mitigation of block and parry so it was a good thing to have in ARR after you have reached a vit cap of around 10-11k in Defiance. In HW its just a e-peen ruler for wannabe dps to think they can deal damage while take it as well. STR is only good for aggro and damage now as parry and block are fixed to the gear you have.

Also keep in mind that strength also increases the power of each tank's self healing resources too. I'm a big fan of my meaty 6k Equilibriums. In the case of multi-hit tank busters, that extra strength actually makes you way more survivable than vit ever could, so long as you're on it with your cooldowns.

[Khemorex]

I didn't lose the point of the initial OP, but the topic of discussion changed. It went from the OP complaining about tanks who don't know wtf they're doing using full STR stuff to people coming in and preaching that STR accessories are the Devil and a tanks' only job is to stack VIT and get kicked in the face repeatedly, which is wrong.

great im happy for you that u can run the dungeon 10 sec faster gl and bye

[Ronzeru]

All I hear is, "I want to be a DPS because i'm bored just playing my tank as a tank." Seeing threads pop up about 'paladin should have higher deeps to be useful'.... as someone who's played roleplaying games since I was a young boy in the 90s, this makes me just shake my head.