Proposed changes to Tank jobs

[Faytte]

Point taken, I'd like to add that PLD would be the better OT in that fight since they have the actual procs for the adds and sheltron actually works on it.

This is 100% accurate. With my dark knight he mts P1 and P2, then in P3 i end up taking the first lazer, he takes the second, I hallowed the third. lets us pop all our reducing cds to make the healing a joke for our normal group(healers can go on pure offense) or with pug healers (can never trust pugs!).

[Faytte]

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If it does interupt (and I could be wrong) id rather it not--unless I hit it at the last second. AOEs on the ground are dummy proof to avoid, and the monster is not auto attacking during that time. Sure people have to move two steps, but it also means you can give your healer a chance to dps. All three healers (esp whms lately) can put up some really good numbers in party runs without endangering the tanks health at all---

Take less damage
Party deals more damage (after a brief reposition)?


oGCD alone would be fine--with some balance number changes.

[Phoenicia]

PLD and DRK could totally use a Buff.

Sure, let's buff PLD DPS to match that of WAR. Hmm, while at it, let's slap a shield on WAR and DRK so they have the same mitigation of PLD. Let's remove pesky wrath and MP management resources and just give immunity CDs to WAR and DRK. I mean EVERYONE wants what the other one has, why not make all three the same? Problem solved!

[Ceodore]

Too many stupid people making too many stupid change ideas without actually thinking of ALL the repercussions of the changes.

[Faytte]

No, paladins dont need any more damage--I realize your being sarcastic, but addresing other paladins.

Paladins -do- need a threat increased. Against competitive dps without a ninja, you will be spamming your halone combo, where neither other tank has this issue. I tank with my war and paladin both through rav ex and alexander, and the threat issue on paladin is quite real. I also at times have an issue with SE saying paladin dps should be lower cause they mitigate better---given so much of the content -is- magic damage, basically means when its magic most of those advantages go out the window, while you are left with your rather sub standard aggro and damage.


Paladins are not in a good spot in the xpac. Clemency is an ok spell--you can use it with some foresight, but I think Equilibrium is much better (Rav Ex interrupts like crazy, which I imagine will be more indicative of savage alex vs normal alex which is a joke).

Paladins need a threat increase, some aoe increase (the idea that shield swipe be OGCD and a cone was quite great! 120/150 potency, remove pacification, keep added threat--done deal). Clemency in particular is already gated by the immense mana cost, the rather massive casting time and fact you cant block during the cast makes it rather fringe. Lowering the casting time to 1.5 or a gcd ability (similar to an attack, stance change, etc) would make it more ideal. Casting while tanking doesnt work well. Casting while off tanking is so so.

[RadRyder]

Here's my wishlist for my two mains (PLD/WAR):

PLD:
- Remove Sword/Shield Oath from GCD. This is long overdue
- Reduce Clemency's cast time to about 2.5 seconds or less
- Remove TP cost on Shield Swipe, making it a better TP recovery tool

WAR:
- Steel Cyclone now applies Storm's Path debuff on all targets hit
- Decimate now applies Storm's Eye debuff on all targets hit.

[Hundred]

I think my Fell cleaves should be 9000 potency, off the gcd, require no stacks , give me 20% damage mitigation for 60 seconds and heal me for 100% of the damage done, also usable in Defiance while ignoring the damage penalty. Actually cooldown should be 0 anyways, 2.5 and off the gcd would still be too long.

To be frank I think my Salted Earths should cover the entire dungeon map and maybe tick for 9000 potency and last 60s instead of 21.
Should probably be able to affect all my allies too (obviously not me) because I don't want to carry these scrubs either.

Finally I think Hallowed Grounds duration should be 20 minutes long, and the cooldowns too long, I think 1s cooldown is fair though if we're not being conservative it should probably be like 0.5s cooldown.

[Ceodore]

I think my Fell cleaves should be 9000 potency, off the gcd, require no stacks , give me 20% damage mitigation for 60 seconds and heal me for 100% of the damage done, also usable in Defiance while ignoring the damage penalty. Actually cooldown should be 0 anyways, 2.5 and off the gcd would still be too long.

To be frank I think my Salted Earths should cover the entire dungeon map and maybe tick for 9000 potency and last 60s instead of 21.
Should probably be able to affect all my allies too (obviously not me) because I don't want to carry these scrubs either.

Finally I think Hallowed Grounds duration should be 20 minutes long, and the cooldowns too long, I think 1s cooldown is fair though if we're not being conservative it should probably be like 0.5s cooldown.

"Madness, as you know, is a lot like gravity. All it takes is a little push."

[TouchandFeel]

[R-Kine]

Sure, let's buff PLD DPS to match that of WAR. Hmm, while at it, let's slap a shield on WAR and DRK so they have the same mitigation of PLD. Let's remove pesky wrath and MP management resources and just give immunity CDs to WAR and DRK. I mean EVERYONE wants what the other one has, why not make all three the same? Problem solved!

Don't take it too hard now.