Proposed changes to Tank jobs

[Faytte]

Shieldswipe is fine. If you swipe an enemy mid telegraph the telegraph fails Enemies are immune to it yes, as they also are to blind.

Shield Swipe is really bad and something of a trap if you dont understand it. Out of the buttons you could be hitting, there are very few situations where swipe is a good one to hit--just because it lights up doesnt mean its a good thing to smash (Unlike say, most other classes when something lights up, its generally a good thing).

[Faytte]

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The Dark suggestions were ok until i got to dark mind. You want vengeance on a 60 second cooldown you can stack with your other buffs? Come on---really? That would put you ahead of paladins (EASILY) on mitigation against all damage sources while having better offense.

All tanks have 2 core cds for mitigation and one spammable debuff.
Paladin have rampart and sentinel (which gains 10% over other tanks)
Wars have IB and vengeance (which gains a better cd and update over other tanks. IB has a shorter uptime conversely and requires a gcd/timing, but can be up more often)
DRK has shadow and shadow wall (both base line) but also gain dark mind which has an incredibly short cd and is applicable against what seems to be about half the damage in alexander (in some fights, damn near all of it!).

Yes all tanks also have other cds that are more situational (Wars have reactive self healing, Darks have a very short cd high uptime parry and dodge enhancer, a reactive -10% damage taken via reprisal. Paladins have a number of largely, anti physical cds (keep in mind for every cd a paladin has, that is one less offense power or aoe they got ---paladins lack more than I think people tend to understand when it comes to offense choices).

30% 10 second uptime 1 minute cd vs 'all' ontop of a 20% and 30% you can alternate along side of it makes you better suited than anyone for tank busters no matter the damage type. Right now paladins are better suited for physical cause they can throw sheltron ontop of a cd--but when it comes to magic, darks are the clear victors already (dark mind + another cd, serving the same purpose).

[AzureRose]

I just want Shield bash off global cooldown. Such a pain in the arse

[Faytte]

I just want Shield bash off global cooldown. Such a pain in the arse

This--or an AOE and I would be happy.

I don't buy into Paladins or DRK screaming for tp management. I imagine this is largely from Darks that are used to being dps and dont know how to live without invigorate. The game gives us bards and ninjas for a reason ^_^ If you are getting low, weave unmends into your rotation. Every unmend does 150 potency and gives you a full gcd of tp restore.

[Sentenza]

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Warriors are pretty over powered at the moment what with having a near limit less TP recover buff at the cost of being at Less HP for 10 seconds that doesn't even break their combo. It's pretty much invigorate worked into their kit.

The OT changes are to powerful especially the TP recover, it would have to recover like 20-40 TP. The Main Tank portion I'd agree there should be something of an equivalent to sheltron if dark knight is meant to be a more magic defense tank but Dark mind is fine as it is for that if there's one thing that shouldn't be changed is how much Souleater heals for, being able to get 2k to 2.4k heals like that seems like overkill. If you honestly think PLD does better as MT in A4 then a DRK then you haven't tanked the A4 Tankbuster.

Also what is it that people are burning their TP on? I tank a million times and I've never had TP issues except for that experimental phase where I CC'd Fracture for a bit. I havent raised my last two tanks up there at the moment but if there's some secret TP drain I have no clue what it is.

[Faytte]

If you honestly think PLD does better as MT in A4 then a DRK then you haven't tanked the A4 Tankbuster.

They dont tank it better than a Dark (30% + 20 or 30% ) but its not terribly far behind---mostly because you can with a defensive up, cast clemency on yourself as you take damage without interruption. Easier if you have fending accesories. Also---for the third one, you just laugh at it and hollowed ground through it?

Basically first delirum is a joke (rampart)
Second one can hurt (sentinel for 40% vs dark mind/wall for 60%, throw a heal on yourself and its not a problem).
Third one (where you should be finishing the fight) you just hallowed through all of it and give the healers a break--let them dps ^_^

[Sentenza]

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Point taken, I'd like to add that PLD would be the better OT in that fight since they have the actual procs for the adds and sheltron actually works on it.

[Jandor]

Theres no reason to do that though? Ok so--you swipe while they cast, it wont interrupt them.

No, but it will cause the ability to fail to activate.
I need to check it more thoroughly but in a few vigil runs I've pacified enemies while they're charging a big telegraphed AoE, the cast has finished and... nothing, no ability, no damage, they just go back to regular attacks. I'm not saying it's amazing but if it stops telegraphed attacks mid-cast just like stun but it doesn't stack the same resistance as stun then I think even as a niche ability it has some merit.

I'm not opposed to changing it a bit though, don't get me wrong, it's a bit too niche at the moment. oGCD could work.

[Hypie]

Also what is it that people are burning their TP on? I tank a million times and I've never had TP issues except for that experimental phase where I CC'd Fracture for a bit. I havent raised my last two tanks up there at the moment but if there's some secret TP drain I have no clue what it is.

Well Drk has Blood Weapon which lowers the gcd for 10%. but i never had tp issues too o,o°

[SpookyGhost]

PLD and DRK could totally use a Buff.

Sorry, what?