So Tried to Heal Sohm Al as an Astrologian...

[Tashim]

Alot of tanks also get used to the idea that healers will use cooldowns to save them.
Divine Seal, Presence of Mind, or sacred soil/lustrate, eye for an eye, even shadow flare to slow mobs, etc.

These are tools that healers have had to help with spike damage on a tank. AST do not get any tools to handle burst damage well. The only options are a Benefic2 proc, Essential Dignity, and using an Arrow Card on yourself. These don't even come close to the effectiveness of what real healers get.

Tanks need to learn to be more self-sufficient with cooldowns. AST are fun to play, but their healing throughput does feel very hard-capped, and if a tank exceeds that... well, you've seen it already.

[Risvertasashi]

Alot of tanks also get used to the idea that healers will use cooldowns to save them.
Divine Seal, Presence of Mind, or sacred soil/lustrate, eye for an eye, even shadow flare to slow mobs, etc.

TBH, most tanks seem to completely oblivious to how hard it can be to heal them (until you go OOM and they die). On any healer. Just... AST's ceiling is much lower.

[Leiloni]

TBH, most tanks seem to completely oblivious to how hard it can be to heal them (until you go OOM and they die). On any healer. Just... AST's ceiling is much lower.

Agreed, a lot of tank are used to being heal carried when those healers are blowing cooldowns on trash pulls to keep them alive and just aren't saying anything about it. AST does need some cooldown improvements, but it shouldn't be necessary to blow stuff on trash of all things. Some tanks are noticeably better but some aren't and on an AST it's painfully noticeable.

But even doing Library last night, the tank was pulling appropriately and knew what he was doing - and had "The White" title so clearly played enough WHM to know how to play with your healer. But he was taking so much damage from one pack pulls that I could barely afford to stop healing him long enough to get out DoTs on just one mob. At most I could eek out a Combust II and maybe a Combust before his HP started dipping fast. That I don't think is a tank problem and both of us had appropriate gear. Maybe that's just more a new dungeon design issue.

What made it even worse was he was using Clemency frequently, even when it was not necessary at all - like I'll be mid cast on a heal and he is casting it, or he's not even at half and feels the need to get himself up. Or after one pull he ran quickly around the corner to go grab another and it was so nearby that I didn't feel the need to recast Stoneskin (which I normally do after every pull even though many healers don't), yet he felt the need to go ahead and cast it himself. I don't know if this is just because this PLD was also a WHM and had control issues, or if he really didn't trust the capabilities of an AST. Either way it was really irritating. He also had a macro for Divine Veil and asked me repeatedly why I didn't heal him after the first time he used it. I told him that my mana was low because my dps had died twice on the first boss (new guy didn't quite get the stand behind the closed book mechanic), and in the middle of trying to get that guy back up and deal with my own HP being low, tank is worried that I didn't heal a full HP tank to get a shield that really would only benefit me? Then later on at the last boss, after he had given me a lecture about "this is what this beep means and this skill does" (yes tank, I'm aware of both of these things...), he proceeds to stand next to me and not move after popping it, as if he doesn't trust me to make use of it.

Sorry I'm getting off topic, but holy fuck that was annoying. That to me is the same thing as a healer running ahead to pull mobs for the tank cause he's moving too slowly. Like back the fuck off dude. Unless I'm failing repeatedly at my job, please stop trying to tell the healer what to do and focus on yourself.

I dunno, I really can't stand tanks that do things like this. I had one that had a cleanse macro that would countdown and then request that I cleanse a poison or something off of him. Like can you not? I'm fully capable of watching that debuff/buff bar of yours and cleanse it as soon as I can. You don't see people telling dps to do this and that so why do some tanks have such insane control issues over their healers?

[chumsy]

I dunno, I really can't stand tanks that do things like this. I had one that had a cleanse macro that would countdown and then request that I cleanse a poison or something off of him. Like can you not? I'm fully capable of watching that debuff/buff bar of yours and cleanse it as soon as I can. You don't see people telling dps to do this and that so why do some tanks have such insane control issues over their healers?

Sometimes poison isnt even worth cleansing, just throw a hot on them and it counter acts the poison. Youll find yourself cleansing the same target 10 times because the poison keeps getting reapplied, i think thats probably the most annoying thing lol

[Leiloni]

Sometimes poison isnt even worth cleansing, just throw a hot on them and it counter acts the poison. Youll find yourself cleansing the same target 10 times because the poison keeps getting reapplied, i think thats probably the most annoying thing lol

I kinda want someone to post a tank complaint thread from the PoV of a healer on Reddit lol. I just am not going to do it myself. But there's been a bunch of threads on Reddit like that lately - one complaining about ranged dps standing too far away, another today from a tank complaining about melee dps stacking on top of him and getting hit. We healers need a thread of our own and I would gladly contribute lol.

[Nadirah]

I dunno, I really can't stand tanks that do things like this. I had one that had a cleanse macro that would countdown and then request that I cleanse a poison or something off of him. Like can you not? I'm fully capable of watching that debuff/buff bar of yours and cleanse it as soon as I can. You don't see people telling dps to do this and that so why do some tanks have such insane control issues over their healers?

Was it a warrior?

Because I like berserk macros. Sometimes I have trouble noticing the pacification debuff until it's almost over anyways.

if you aren't aware, when that cd wears off they can't use weaponskills for 5 seconds. an be annoying and can be dispelled.

[Leiloni]

Was it a warrior?

Because I like berserk macros. Sometimes I have trouble noticing the pacification debuff until it's almost over anyways.

if you aren't aware, when that cd wears off they can't use weaponskills for 5 seconds. an be annoying and can be dispelled.

It's pretty easy to see when a tank or anyone else has a debuff. If you're actually looking at the party window it's right next to their HP bar and all debuffs have a certain look to them so they stand out. And hopefully any healer at 50 or above knows by now what each icon means...

[Nadirah]

It's pretty easy to see when a tank or anyone else has a debuff. If you're actually looking at the party window it's right next to their HP bar and all debuffs have a certain look to them so they stand out. And hopefully any healer at 50 or above knows by now what each icon means...

Typically I'm more concerned with making sure I'm not standing in stuff I shouldn't be standing in and finding that guy that's way over in the middle of BFE that desperately needs heals or whatever.

i don't just mindlessly stare at HP bars. Those are off to the side and quite frankly, I miss my full on mouseover healing from WoW. My UI was set up so that everythinng important was in the lower center part of my screen so I could see if I was standing in something and needed to move,and didn't have to full screen scan.

It's only really relevant in 8+ player stuff anyway.

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[Leiloni]

Typically I'm more concerned with making sure I'm not standing in stuff I shouldn't be standing in and finding that guy that's way over in the middle of BFE that desperately needs heals or whatever.

i don't just mindlessly stare at HP bars. Those are off to the side and quite frankly, I miss my full on mouseover healing from WoW. My UI was set up so that everythinng important was in the lower center part of my screen so I could see if I was standing in something and needed to move,and didn't have to full screen scan.

It's only really relevant in 8+ player stuff anyway.

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Every good healer needs to be able to keep an eye on everything at once. If watching health bars along with moving, seeing boss attacks, and keeping an eye on your team is too much then maybe healing isn't for you. A good healer is aware of and watching everything that's going on so we can act appropriately.