Alexander loot systems sucks :/

[senjyo]

Cause people totally wouldn't just farm A2 all day for all their tokens or anything. Way too abusable.

You sounds like people never farming fractal for tomes instead of neverreap. And if you want a solution to that, that's easy, make 1 type of token drop in specific turns only and that token will be used to purchase multiple slot but not all. For example Turn 4 token only can exchange for chest/belt, but if you do turn 4 only turn 4 token drops.

[Ashkendor]

You sounds like people never farming fractal for tomes instead of neverreap. And if you want a solution to that, that's easy, make 1 type of token drop in specific turns only and that token will be used to purchase multiple slot but not all. For example Turn 4 token only can exchange for chest/belt, but if you do turn 4 only turn 4 token drops.

We already have a solution to it, and one that requires no developer attention at that: the current loot system.

Seriously, I can't believe the amount of whining that's going on about this; quite honestly, it's simple to get items. Any player can acquire some pieces in one week and some pieces in two weeks. The chest piece takes four weeks, but hey, it's the chest piece. In any case, it's a lot less likely that you're going to go dozens or even hundreds of runs (you know, the way that people did back in Coil) without seeing a specific drop because there's 3 token types per floor and 2 chests. Those are pretty good odds. If you're having trouble getting drops because you're farming in Duty Finder then my suggestion would be to stop farming in Duty Finder. Put up a Party Finder or get some friends together to farm. Make at least a token effort to work within the loot system and give it a decent shot before complaining that the drops aren't being served up to you on a goddamn silver platter.

[AlphaFox]

Seriously, I can't believe the amount of whining that's going on about this; quite honestly, it's simple to get items. Any player can acquire some pieces in one week and some pieces in two weeks. The chest piece takes four weeks, but hey, it's the chest piece. In any case, it's a lot less likely that you're going to go dozens or even hundreds of runs (you know, the way that people did back in Coil) without seeing a specific drop because there's 3 token types per floor and 2 chests. Those are pretty good odds. If you're having trouble getting drops because you're farming in Duty Finder then my suggestion would be to stop farming in Duty Finder. Put up a Party Finder or get some friends together to farm. Make at least a token effort to work within the loot system and give it a decent shot before complaining that the drops aren't being served up to you on a goddamn silver platter.

Agreed, working with a group of never changing people should guarantee everyone has at least 1 item per floor in the span of 35-40minutes or so (4 runs, least my group is averaging 8min on A1). Assuming its flawless each run and everyone is happy with the item choice from the selection of what...2-3 different types per floor?

[senjyo]

stop farming in Duty Finder. Put up a Party Finder or get some friends together to farm. Make at least a token effort to work within the loot system and give it a decent shot before complaining that the drops aren't being served up to you on a goddamn silver platter.

How hard it is to understand it doesn't matter what kind of group you are in "stactic/DF/PF" all doesn't matter, it take average 40+ run to have enough shaft drops for 6 people (that's assuming 2 of the other don't need the chest). Yeah, it seems pretty good odd that each clear has 66.6% chance for 1 shaft to drop, but after u factor in the rolling against 6 others plus you need to repeat the same process 4 times , you will see it take way more runs to get specific item than old system.

Better know your stuff before you white knighting for no reason. If this system is actually "better" than the old one, u wouldn't see this kind of thread has 20 pages + replies to it.

[WinterLuna]

If this system is actually "better" than the old one, u wouldn't see this kind of thread has 20 pages + replies to it.

And before you start white knighting, not all of the responses are agreeing with it.

[senjyo]

And before you start white knighting, not all of the responses are agreeing with it.

You don't have to agree, but it doesn't change the fact that there are lots of people actually see the problem of this new system and debate and dicussion are being exchange. I don't see a thread like "Daily roulette suck, please delete the system" gone above 5 pages beside the obvious troll attempt and nonconstructive replies such as the quoted one.

[WinterLuna]

You don't have to agree, but it doesn't change the fact that there are lots of people actually see the problem of this new system and debate and dicussion are being exchange. I don't see a thread like "Daily roulette suck, please delete the system" gone above 5 pages beside the obvious troll attempt and nonconstructive replies such as the quoted one.

You have to remember not everyone on FF uses the forums, everyone I've spoken to in game about the new loot system loves it. No matter what Square Enix do, someone is always going to complain about it. They can't please everyone and I highly doubt they're going to rework the entire Alexander loot system because they've got some negative feedback.

It's really not a bad loot system. As I said, most people are being disheartened by the fact they've rolled crappy and are raging over it instead of seeing the logic that they have just as much chance as getting an item than before.

(Edit, can't post again so I'll add here)

Your logic is still completely flawed.. You could farm Alexander twice and get your piece and farm coil 500 times and never get a piece. It's all RNG. People are literally complaining because their rolls suck. That's all it comes down to.

[senjyo]

You have to remember not everyone on FF uses the forums, everyone I've spoken to in game about the new loot system loves it. No matter what Square Enix do, someone is always going to complain about it. They can't please everyone and I highly doubt they're going to rework the entire Alexander loot system because they've got some negative feedback.

The same logic also go both way, I also knew lots of people that don't use the forum but also hating the new loot system. To be fair, it is an improvement that they going for a token system, what they did wrong is, instead implement 1 or 2 type of token, they implement 7. So you reducing the bad RNG for gear drop for different class, but you add a new RNG which people need to hunt for the specific token on a specific turns against 6+ player instead 0 or 1 and repeat that for 4 times?! That's what people are complaining about.

[Ashkendor]

but after u factor in the rolling against 6 others plus you need to repeat the same process 4 times , you will see it take way more runs to get specific item than old system.

What this does is equalizes the time it takes to get specific items. There is no getting it on the first run, sure, but on the other hand the only way you'd end up never getting it is if you gave up trying. There's drops out of Coil that I ended up never getting despite trying for months, even after it opened up to farming. Having bad luck in Alexander means you have to run it again because 2 pedals dropped and you wanted a bolt. Having bad luck in Coil meant that you better pray to RNGesus that your item even turned up. Even worse was if you were in a greed party and 2 other people were on that item with you when it finally did drop.

I mean gee, oh no, you have to run it several times in order to get your loot. At least you have the option to do so! Coil runners didn't even have that. You got one clear for the week, and if both items were for a dragoon and nobody played it, well you cried some bitter tears in RNGesus' general direction then divvied up via greed and tried again next week. In any case, using the chest piece as your example is kind of a bad idea since it's the only one that takes four weeks to get. Everything else can be gotten in one or two.

Better know your stuff before you white knighting for no reason. If this system is actually "better" than the old one, u wouldn't see this kind of thread has 20 pages + replies to it.

If you'd actually bothered to look through the thread, you would've seen that it's twenty pages of debate, not twenty pages of people agreeing with the OP. There are plenty of people that like this loot system just fine.

[Giantbane]

There's drops out of Coil that I ended up never getting despite trying for months, even after it opened up to farming.

The problem with coil is that each turn had too much potential crap that could drop. So the chances of getting your drop were fairly low per run, and then the chances you actually won the roll if you had to compete for it (tanks/healers) was worse.

I think they made a mistake by putting accessories in coil. If coil only dropped main body pieces and the accessories were elsewhere in the world then coil wouldn't have been nearly as bad.