We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Kumori_Kumo]

I have an addendum to my previous question.
How necessary is WM to Bard DPS now? I mean could you just eschew it and not be viewed as a total scrublord, or is it like doing Dragoon without Heavy Thrust? I've tried to parse that from the conversation but it's been all over the place and I'm kind of a meathead.

[Snugglebutt]

I have an addendum to my previous question.
How necessary is WM to Bard DPS now? I mean could you just eschew it and not be viewed as a total scrublord, or is it like doing Dragoon without Heavy Thrust? I've tried to parse that from the conversation but it's been all over the place and I'm kind of a meathead.

If not using WM you tend to get insulted and/or kicked or blocked from groups quite often from what I have seen. There are always exceptions though especially if your group consists of FC, general or static friends which would be more accommodating. It can be quite a large DPS loss if don't use it at all in fights that you are not forced to dodge constantly throughout since you lose out on couple good skills, SW being an exception plus lose the WM 30% buff even though that is slightly mitigated by the added cast times and lack of auto-attack.

My issue is not with the DPS output though, it is with the QoL and play style change WM created. To me bard went from a fun stable and reliable rotational class to a chaotic rotational mess when became a prominently master weaving class due to WM and WM's effect on the other skills...skills that were not designed to compliment WM to begin with and for many skills still do not. Like I said before even if bard was the top DPS class it would not change my current feelings on it. Honestly I am not sure how SE can fix it with WM part of the equation so my problem now is having to find another class to main.

[Kumori_Kumo]

Yeesh. That sounds like a definite 'no' then.
Also if the rest of you aren't getting why this feels bad, create an entire UI of abilities that work through macros. Not even complex ones, just literally macros of the same abilities you use. It's sticky and doesn't flow well and... just doesn't feel good. Makes you feel like you're trying to control your character through a layer of molasses. It's arguably exactly the same, but at the same time it isn't, ya know?

[Zamii]

I have an addendum to my previous question.
How necessary is WM to Bard DPS now? I mean could you just eschew it and not be viewed as a total scrublord, or is it like doing Dragoon without Heavy Thrust? I've tried to parse that from the conversation but it's been all over the place and I'm kind of a meathead.

if your efficient at knowing when to use it and when not to, its generally a 10-15% dps increase, although given this is basically a giant QQ thread, i'll probably be called be called out for one thing or another just because i said its an increase in dps.