If you could kill off one of the scions...

[saber_alter]

I'd be happy to be rid of Tataru, total joke of a character

hey! wedge wants to tap dat.



i would kill minfilia. she is worthless on the other hand.

[Guesswhat]

Because non-side people who die need to stay dead. Heavensward was a good start, but the Sultana coming back was just as cringeworthy as it was predictable.

In the beginning I was pleasantly surprised SE seemingly had the balls to kill off such a major character. I suppressed the idea of her not being dead, as it was too obvious. Then, as we all knew, status quo had to be maintained and she had to be alive. The only real consequence of the whole ordeal was the loss of an arm.

The only death that actually had some impact on me was Hauchefaunt's. All others were expendable and I kinda saw it coming. Moenbryda was introduced just for the sake that they needed a death, or an impact, in the story. At least it felt like that to me. Same thing with the crystal braves.

As for what Scion I would see dead? It would actually be quite fitting if Thancred had died at the end of the 1st story as a point of no return thing.

[CodeCass]

Alphinaud...I can't stand Minfilia either, but I really despise Alphinaud. Of course I'm only about 1/2 through the HW MSQs, so he may redeem himself somehow, but I don't count on it.

[StrejdaTom]

Definitely Minfilia, the most boring Scion of them all.

[Risvertasashi]

Minfilia. Can we get a capable leader that isn't just something guys are supposed to drool over? Next time the Garleans/Ascians/Bowser capture her, let's just tell them we don't want her back.

Hell, at least Alphinaud got a private army in each nation's capitol, even if evil scheming lalafells did turn the tables on that.

[Kaiser-Ace]

snip.

Uuuuh, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it, you know the WoL is the leader of the Scions of the 7th Dawn right? Minfilia's title is antecedent. That title means "That which came before" and she has that title simply because she's the oldest known Echo User amongst the path of the twelve. Minfilia doesn't seem to lead because she's not a leader. The Archons and the Twins go out and reserch, hunt primal locations, make political deals, and be a general pain in the empire's ass. Tataru and Minfilia handle logistics and contact information, and that's about it.

The WoL how ever is the real leader of the Scions. We kill the primals, we are always the 1st into battle, we deal with the ascian machinations, and We are always the 1st person Minfilia and the others call when the shit hits the fan.

[Allyrion]

And don't forget, Livia sas Junes killed like 20 of them (Including the only sylph I actually liked) when she stormed the waking sands in 2.xx

Again WHY MUST WE KILL MORE !?! For Twelve's sake Y'shtola was technically dead after casting Flow since she got stuck in the life stream.

I think death adds depth to the story. How stories deal with death (or lack thereof) really affects my opinion on how good it is.

I don't want any Scions to die, in particular, so I'm not going to vote for someone.
But I don't think it's good if we kill off our enemies, even the major players, while not losing those of similar importance that are close to us.

If they lose comrades, we should too.
It's true we lost a lot with Livia and even in 2.55, but we have killed similar underlings of the bad guys in much greater quantity.
When we start killing Ascians, I think it's okay if we lose some Scions or others close to us.
Seeing Iceheart and Haurchefant die was really hard, but they were good deaths and that's part of making a great drama.
Though I really did want Iceheart to have a longer role than she did (or still may? I have doubts she'll come back though).

The death count of bad guys to good guys don't need to be artificially equal.
But death is huge. Dishing it out needs to have some level of karma or causation in return.
Why? Not even just to make a good story, but if we're going to kill we should know what its like to lose those close to us as a hero character.

We've killed a lot more than we lost.
And that's fair, we're still the heroes and it's still our story.
But we're going to keep killing, so there should be more loss.
And it shouldn't just be brought in characters, to just kill off soon after.
On the other hand, we shouldn't lose everyone around us either, since we need a party to mark most of our journey together and live through with.

So yea, it's a tough balance which is why how stories deal with death is really important in my opinion.

The WoL how ever is the real leader of the Scions. We kill the primals, we are always the 1st into battle, we deal with the ascian machinations, and We are always the 1st person Minfilia and the others call when the shit hits the fan.

Are you just saying that cause of those reasons?
That makes us more of a general than a leader. Actually, more like a lieutenant or commander.
We're the muscle, not the leader.

I'm pretty sure it's explicitly stated somewhere that Minfilia is the acting leader now.
Unless you have some source that says we're the leader or they state it in such a way?
Because I don't think the reasons you gave really infer any leadership status on us.

[Kallera]

If we were the leader, there would be a lot more black text boxes depicting our own thoughts to action, imo, instead of us taking orders.

That said,I think Thancred can go. His arc passed.

[Stormfur]

Alphinaud. I want to shove him ponytail-first through a meat grinder.

[Kaiser-Ace]

if you really want to get down to what the game actually says, there is no "Head Scion". It's a coalition between the Path of the Twelve and The Circle of Knowing. Neither of which had a definitive leader either. (Although Louisoix pretty much founded both)

But there's a lot more reason to kill Antagonist plot wise than Protagonists.

If Lahabrea keeps coming back, and coming back, and coming back, and coming back, what happens in 6.0 After the Ascian plot line is over and he's STILL coming back? He gets reduced to a joke antagonist that's not a treat as much as an annoyance.

What happens if we just kill all of the Scions and leave the WoL to go solo? The plot ends because we have no idea what to do with out them. That's the curse of being a "Silent Protagonist". The plot is carried by our interaction with our allies and enemies not OUR actions in and of them selves.