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    Player Kaiser-Ace's Avatar
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    What's with the obsession with killing the scions?

    Me personally if I had to see a main story NPC bite the dust (Again) then I want see Eistenian return and wind up axing himself to stop Nidhogg. I mean we already Lost Louisoix, Hauchefaunt, Moonbryda, and Iceheart, Why the heck should any others Die? We have more than enough reason to take down the Ascians out of sheer vengeful rage alone.

    And don't forget, Livia sas Junes killed like 20 of them (Including the only sylph I actually liked) when she stormed the waking sands in 2.xx

    Again WHY MUST WE KILL MORE !?! For Twelve's sake Y'shtola was technically dead after casting Flow since she got stuck in the life stream.

    Though, if I had to pick based off of what make's more plot since, I say Urainge having a falling out with Elidibus and taking that white robed bastard out in the process would be a fair ending for him. He'd get to be with Moon and Louisoix again and Avenge both of their deaths since the Ascians were the reason the two died to start with.

    Extra Post Edit: And lay off my Waifu damn it!!! Minfilia ain't done nothing to you.
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    Last edited by Kaiser-Ace; 07-09-2015 at 03:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    Though, if I had to pick based off of what make's more plot since, I say Urainge having a falling out with Elidibus and taking that white robed bastard out in the process would be a fair ending for him. He'd get to be with Moon and Louisoix again and Avenge both of their deaths since the Ascians were the reason the two died to start with.
    I actually got to go with this, with a side of "I'd rather not have more deaths/"deaths" for a bit on the good guy side. Estinien is already close enough to "we save him only for him to immediatly die because A. Nidhogg, or B. Lahabrea (STILL sure he'll be back.) Atleast here we have a good reason for it, a possibility that while things may be in partnership right now they both know it won't last (atleast if he doesn't end up a traitor, which if he is he probably isn't on their side anymore after Moen's death.)
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    Player Kaiser-Ace's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
    At least here we have a good reason for it, a possibility that while things may be in partnership right now they both know it won't last (at least if he doesn't end up a traitor, which if he is he probably isn't on their side anymore after Moen's death.)
    Moen's Death hit me hard in the feels too. I lost someone IRL not long before that was to me like Urainge was with Moenbryda. So I actually empathized with Uriange emotionally with that. And I gotta say, I could really see him losing his shit to take out Elidibus if he starts bad mouthing Moen as being nothing but a pawn and Uriange not giving a damn about the consequences. (End up taking him out with a forbidden offensive spell that makes Ultima look like a pop gun by comparison)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    And don't forget, Livia sas Junes killed like 20 of them (Including the only sylph I actually liked) when she stormed the waking sands in 2.xx

    Again WHY MUST WE KILL MORE !?! For Twelve's sake Y'shtola was technically dead after casting Flow since she got stuck in the life stream.
    I think death adds depth to the story. How stories deal with death (or lack thereof) really affects my opinion on how good it is.

    I don't want any Scions to die, in particular, so I'm not going to vote for someone.
    But I don't think it's good if we kill off our enemies, even the major players, while not losing those of similar importance that are close to us.

    If they lose comrades, we should too.
    It's true we lost a lot with Livia and even in 2.55, but we have killed similar underlings of the bad guys in much greater quantity.
    When we start killing Ascians, I think it's okay if we lose some Scions or others close to us.
    Seeing Iceheart and Haurchefant die was really hard, but they were good deaths and that's part of making a great drama.
    Though I really did want Iceheart to have a longer role than she did (or still may? I have doubts she'll come back though).

    The death count of bad guys to good guys don't need to be artificially equal.
    But death is huge. Dishing it out needs to have some level of karma or causation in return.
    Why? Not even just to make a good story, but if we're going to kill we should know what its like to lose those close to us as a hero character.

    We've killed a lot more than we lost.
    And that's fair, we're still the heroes and it's still our story.
    But we're going to keep killing, so there should be more loss.
    And it shouldn't just be brought in characters, to just kill off soon after.
    On the other hand, we shouldn't lose everyone around us either, since we need a party to mark most of our journey together and live through with.

    So yea, it's a tough balance which is why how stories deal with death is really important in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    The WoL how ever is the real leader of the Scions. We kill the primals, we are always the 1st into battle, we deal with the ascian machinations, and We are always the 1st person Minfilia and the others call when the shit hits the fan.
    Are you just saying that cause of those reasons?
    That makes us more of a general than a leader. Actually, more like a lieutenant or commander.
    We're the muscle, not the leader.

    I'm pretty sure it's explicitly stated somewhere that Minfilia is the acting leader now.
    Unless you have some source that says we're the leader or they state it in such a way?
    Because I don't think the reasons you gave really infer any leadership status on us.
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    Last edited by Allyrion; 07-10-2015 at 01:00 AM.