If you could kill off one of the scions...

[Tenkuu]

I've actually be redoing the 2.* quests on an alternate character, and I must respectfully disagree. Alphinaud must die. From the moment he comes into the Scions, he's edging out Minfilia and using the WoL as his own personal errand girl and weapon. I stand by my earlier offer to slit his throat with a broken beer bottle and leave him in an alley with disarranged clothing.

Well, like I said, Alphinaud gets a place in the group more because he's Louisoix's grandson than because he's actually earned it. However, Minfilia is genuinely impressed with his efforts even if at times he can be a bit exasperating. So my opinion that he's still growing and making mistakes as he goes still stands. Heck, by all accounts, Thancred considers himself to have been worse off at his age. Alphinaud is really doing well, especially in terms of his growth, but he admittedly needs the help of others to grow as a character, and he is getting it. As of Heavensward, I am honestly impressed with the changes in him. By comparison, during most of 3.0, I simply couldn't stand Estinien, and I honestly feel like he got what he deserved by messing around with forces that everyone warned him about, since he just arrogantly ignored all of those warnings.

[FriendlyUncle]

Why would you want to kill of any of them after everything they have done for us at this point? Everything bad that has collectively happened to the Scions has been either because of us (Garlean raid) or to defend us... at this point anyone who so much as approaches my Scions the wrong way is getting a tera flare to the face.

The Garlean raid, how exactly was this our fault? Not being a smart ass, I legitimately do not remember how it was caused by us. The Garleans were interested in the power of the Echo, which Minfillia also possesses and is much easier to capture and detain compared to the Eikon Slayer. They sacrificed themselves to stop us from getting capture but that was more just plot fluff than actual need, because every time we get written into the plot as WoL we are made to be mute and helpless despite murdering some of the fiercest beasts in the realm and its all due to convenience, it makes it easier to write the story if we are just along for the ride.

What exactly have they done for us? Told us to go do all their dirty work basically. Other Scions have the ECHO which protects against being enthralled by Primals but every time the buck is passed to us. Plus saving them every time they wind up getting caught, lost in the aether, etc. About all they did was find a method to destroy Ascians which isn't even reliable due to the amount of aether it requires. You need a large number of people or a powerful artifact like Nidhogg's eye.

Minfillia thus far has proved to be the most useless in her role as leader. Alp does most of the negotiations and talks with the city-states. Uri does his role as the scholar, researching lost means to capture/destroy x or y, finding information we need. Yda, Papalymo, Thancred, Y'shtola all do their work as field agents. Minfillia kind of just sits in her office and congratulates us on our latest victory

[Shirobi]

I can only pick one? I cant stand any of them honestly.

My vote goes to Mini though. I hate her the most.

[PArcher]

Technically, the Garleans came to the waking sands to capture the Eikon Slayer, not Minfilia. Because we weren't there, she was taken instead only because she was leader (the "high priestess of the scions") and had the echo.

Also, no Sharlean scion (we know of) has the echo. Minfilia is Ala mhigan, as is that other guy still in the Sands.

[FriendlyUncle]

Technically, the Garleans came to the waking sands to capture the Eikon Slayer, not Minfilia. Because we weren't there, she was taken instead only because she was leader (the "high priestess of the scions") and had the echo.

Also, no Sharlean scion (we know of) has the echo. Minfilia is Ala mhigan, as is that other guy still in the Sands.

You're right, I just rewatched the cutscene. But it could still be said it is not directly the players fault as they were dispatched to destroy Ifrit and Titan per Minfillia and the City-states request. Towards the end Livia makes it clear that they really just wanted someone with the Echo and that we were just there primary target.

What was their reasoning for taking the rest of the Scions if they did not possess the Echo. I missed that little plot hole. I mean they murdered the crap out of anyone else who didn't have the Echo.

[Morningstar1337]

Hmm

• Thancred? nah, he seems like a pretty cool guy, not helping the WoL fight Ifrit aside
• Yda? Papalymo? nah too funny
• Y'shota? She;s gonna die anyway if what Matoya said is true, but killing her whens she's the unofficial mascot of XIV (and apparently loved by many players besides) would be too cruel
• Alisale? Alphinaud? Im kinda interested in seeing how their character develop, especially the latter. Plus Alphinaud's origins and political expertise would be a useful asset when we inevitably go to Sharlayan (or its successor state)
• Tataru: Yeah...Nope
• TBH I don't hate any of the Scions, so anyone I'd want to off would be more for the sake of Drama, to that I shall invoke the Principle of the Decapitated Army, since Minfilia is the "high priestess" and Louis is either dead or otherwise too incapacitated to lead. She will be the one to go (Permadeath Optional, as Nanamo and Louisoux can attest :P)

[Amaya-Asha]

I want none of them to die but I will sacrifice them all in a heartbeat to protect Alphinaud.

^ my vote

Also would have killed off Minfilia when I used to play with the english-Dub on.

[Tenkuu]

The Garlean raid, how exactly was this our fault? Not being a smart ass, I legitimately do not remember how it was caused by us. The Garleans were interested in the power of the Echo, which Minfillia also possesses and is much easier to capture and detain compared to the Eikon Slayer. They sacrificed themselves to stop us from getting capture but that was more just plot fluff than actual need, because every time we get written into the plot as WoL we are made to be mute and helpless despite murdering some of the fiercest beasts in the realm and its all due to convenience, it makes it easier to write the story if we are just along for the ride.

The Garleans came looking specifically for us. We would not have been hard to capture had they threatened the Scions if we resisted. Why else do you think they'd be able to capture Papalymo and Urianger, both of whom can fight? Minfilia was a second choice for them. Though I personally tend to think Lahabrea was playing both sides and that he didn't want us captured as much as isolated from the other Scions. I believe he recognized that we were pretty harmless without them.

What exactly have they done for us? Told us to go do all their dirty work basically. Other Scions have the ECHO which protects against being enthralled by Primals but every time the buck is passed to us. Plus saving them every time they wind up getting caught, lost in the aether, etc. About all they did was find a method to destroy Ascians which isn't even reliable due to the amount of aether it requires. You need a large number of people or a powerful artifact like Nidhogg's eye.

If that's a joke it's in poor taste. They were doing things for us before we even joined the Scions, or perhaps you've forgotten that in your chosen country, you were assisted by a Scion in your very first big fight. This is not even to mention the information that they freely gave us, before we ever joined them, about what we were facing. Then, when we did join them, they were the ones who did all the reconnaissance missions before we got sent out on primal investigations and exterminations. As for the buck being passed to us, there is the fact that like with the Path of the Twelve, not all Scions who have the Echo are necessarily fighters, and of those who are, they're being sent on different missions because the organization is dipping its fingers into many bowls at any given time. Just talk to the NPCs hanging out in the backroom whenever you return to the Waking Sands prior to the raid. Also, most of the Path of the Twelve likely does not have the Blessing of the Light.

Of course you save them, you care about them as more than merely co-workers and they've also helped you countless times. This is not even to mention the fact that they have the same ideals and end-goals as you: they want to protect innocents from harm, protect Eorzea from destructive forces, and stop the Garleans from invading Eorzea and imposing their doctrine upon everyone. Warrior of Light or not, you could not accomplish even half as much as you manage to without support, and the Scions provide the largest basis for it. As far as their method for killing Ascians, obviously it's reliable if we've used it twice so far, it's simply a work in progress in the sense that it can always be improved.

Minfillia thus far has proved to be the most useless in her role as leader. Alp does most of the negotiations and talks with the city-states. Uri does his role as the scholar, researching lost means to capture/destroy x or y, finding information we need. Yda, Papalymo, Thancred, Y'shtola all do their work as field agents. Minfillia kind of just sits in her office and congratulates us on our latest victory

Minfilia is not a fighter, she is a manager and essentially a public relations officer. Everything that we get handed out, whether it's information, resources or, you'll remember, our special rights such as access to the services of retainers (not to mention the recognition we get in being part of an organization like the Scions'), is either granted or facilitated by her. She is the one who decides who goes where and to investigate what, she is the one who gives the other Scions their assignments. She is the one who gives us most of our knowledge about the Echo and searches for solutions to our problems. This is not to say that the other Scions don't do their own bit of research and investigation, but this is mostly at Minfilia's behest. Thancred, Y'shtola, Yda, Papalymo and other less well-known Scions all operate on her instructions, and do more of the leg work than we do, and have been doing so for several years.

Minfilia congratulates you, sure, but she does so much more than that, offering you her confidence and support and being much more of a friend to you than a mere ally or employer, which is contractually all that ties us to the Scions. She is also responsible, along with Tataru, for all of the paperwork involved in writing and receiving reports, accounts or correspondence of any kind, which I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like to be saddled with. When you finish a mission, you're not the one who writes up the report of what you did, the other Scions or Minfilia herself do all of that for you. You are literally just the muscle.

[Februs]

Agreed, put Minfilia to the sword, drop her in a pit of Morbols, and then feed the remains to the chocobos.

Wait... Morbols are poisonous... so, wouldn't that kill the chocobos? What do you have against chocobos?? Poor birds...

[Februs]

This is an odd question.

Pre-3.0, I didn't really like any of the Scions, but my answer would have to be Tataru Taru. Most worthless character in the game, hands down, and straight up annoying. "Oh woe is me, I'm surrounded by useful people and I can't manage to find anything to do with myself except sit in this chair and complain about how inadequate I am." Seriously? -_-; I was tempted to lend her my sword so she could put herself out of our misery. Plus, the ending of the Realm Reborn story arc really went to great lengths to make me distrust Lalafels. She was one of the only "good" examples of a Lalafel I had, and she made me grit my teeth whenever she opened her worthless mouth... so, yeah. Pre-3.0 I'd be willing to fertilize the garden with her remains.

That being said, I can't answer that question Post-3.0. SE seems to be going to great trouble to revitalize the Scions in the new arc of the story. Most of the Scions are still missing, but the one's we've found got a complete makeover (voices included in some cases) and are infinitely more useful than they used to be. Even Tataru seems to have buttoned up and found herself a use (both in cosmetics as well as intel gathering). That hasn't stopped her from getting herself into trouble, but at least I don't find her nearly as annoying as I used to. I'm actually looking forward to see where they go and what they do with the remaining scions in future patches.