BRD/MCH Fixed!

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

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Current content, I'll agree it doesn't need it. But a BRDs true worth isn't in easy mode stuff ( I mean, for god sake, you can DPS everything in that content quicker with 3 WARs and a healer)

I say, wait till Savage Alexander, see how the fights are. If it's true that you don't need to use any TP song or MP song (which I truly doubt to be fair), then we can have this discussion. But the main end game content up to this point, pre nerf, has always had a BRD in it where those songs have always been crucial to the fight.

Christ, I hate this post limit.

[Garan]

Are the bad BRDs still complaining that they don't have damage equal to a BLM and that they should be a full DPS class, despite YoshiP telling people BRD is a support class, whatever people's opinion?

And people still claiming they don't use songs?

My lord, you guys are just bad.

I'm not yelling at you directly, but WHY DOES EVERYONE KEEP SAYING THIS!!!!!

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Did everyone forget that BRDs receive a 15% damage loss every time we sing ballad or paeon? WE ARE ALREADY BEING PENALIZED FOR OUR SUPPORT ROLE IN THE PARTY!

Previously our lower base DPS was fine. We could make up for it with our great mobility by having no downtime(or very little) on our DPS in comparison to other DPS.

Now however, WM adds casting time to our skills which no longer allows for this great mobility unless stance dancing constantly. Which, depending on the fight could be problematic with the 15 second cool down on WM. And despite this, we still don't have the same damage output as other DPS (Now this is the important part so listen up) WHEN NOT SINGING AND STANDING COMPLETELY STILL.

Last time I checked NIN doesn't get a % DPS loss for the entire uptime of Suiton. DRG doesn't get a % DPS loss for the entire uptime of their crit buff. Etc, Etc.

[AnnietheCat]

I don't really post much but from what I'm seeing here and on reddit, the Bard community is split. Half of us want to be pure DPS and the other half wants to lean more towards support. To be honest, I've always hated the hybrid idea, and so I lean more towards the dps side. I think Yoshi-P and company need to do what they are avoiding and implement specialization, as to give players much more freedom and utility. I've been maining bard for a year now, and this is honestly the most dissatisfied I've been with it. I like my gun and run style, and I accepted my lower dps and songs in exchange for the style I actually enjoy.

[ScarecrowJames]

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TBH there needs to be more than 3 roles. I'm not sure how they can go about that with 4-8 man parties unless you go into Alliances. Tank, Healer and Dps are the current roles. You need healers to keep the Tanks alive and DPS to finish the fight. Support on the other hand is either thrown in kits of the 3 without reducing the effectiveness of their role(usually). The problem is now Support and DPS is butting heads. You aren't a DPS if you're not doing dps. It comes down to how viable support is. TBH atm it seems you can complete most dungeons without Bard or Machinst.

[ScarecrowJames]

If you add a new support Class you will need to reduce the health/etc of the mobs to compensate the dps loss but Also make sure Support is needed to get past certain dungeon aspects. Which imo just won't happen for content that has already been released. It would require to much time and a Over haul. I say have all this "support" go straight to the Healer. OR add a new soul crystal for Archer and have it become Ranger. This alone would fix this issue.

Arcanist goes from DPS to Healer with Scholar or stays on the DPS route with SMN.

The whole point of soul crystals was to switch professions. I heard the are going away from it but...tbh Soul crystals are really the best way. It allows a Class to go a different route with a different playstyle. In fact I honestly imo thought Machinst should have been a soul crystal for Archer.

I hate this post limit.

[Velhart]

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Don't quote me, but I believe Yoshi-P once said in an interview that if they were to add a whole new role into the game like support, then future content would need to have an increase on how many members are needed. Like in dungeon roulette, it would be increased to 5 (Tank/Healer/DPSx2/Support) and 10 for raids/primals (Tankx2/Healerx2/DPSx4/Supportx2). Which could work I suppose, but honestly it feels pointless to me to go with something like this. Would it bother me if it did? No. I simply just don't want something like this thrown in unless SE has a really good plan behind them on how they can change the whole dynamic of the game as we have it now for the better.

Also, MCH buffs are definitely there and welcomed. Hitting much higher numbers than I did pre-3.01. As someone who played a Hunter in WoW, the cast bar does not bother me at all and actually easier to work with than some may lead you to believe otherwise. I would ask anyone who are more reluctant to use it to try it out more and let it sink in, you might actually end up liking it.

[Adventica6]

You know what's better than a support class? a pure dps class helping kill the boss 2x faster.

[Sessurea]

you guys did notice alex has a lot of multi target situations which bard can exploit with dots and ironjaw right? Bards wont be far behind melee in there. Theres already 1k+ parses. So no, even if our songs aren't needed, guess what, we still do good damage in there.

And just to guess....alex savage will be similar multi target situations, with a truck of mechanics thrown on top. Now lets see what class was least affected by mechanics again.....

In fact optimal group will be 3 smns and a brd I'm pretty sure. seen one smn parse 1400, multi target doting is just so godly.


Really, let this rant end already.

[Infraction]

Can't DPS if you're dead.

I guess you could go to the black mages for tips on how to cast abilities during boss fights.

[ScarecrowJames]

You know what's better than a support class? a pure dps class helping kill the boss 2x faster.

Yeah thats the problem. Dungeons atm don't really need support. They just need dps to deal damage. The whole issue is its just faster to take other dps over Bard/Mach.When You select the DPS role you are expecting to do DPS. If you are supporting...Then you aren't dps'ing.