BRD/MCH look here

[SonTensei]

You're never gonna DPS like a BLM, because you're #1, a support and require much less thought process than a BLM.

lmao r u serious?" blm is pew pew pew pew pew pew pew --- in fact in 2.x bard had to do a majority of the dps mechanics to let melee and blm pew pew pew bam bam bam away.

[Dante_V]

First and Foremost BRDs and MCH are dps. We que up as dps and we take up a dps slot in dungeons and raids. We should be treated as a dps bc there is no slot for SUPPORT DPS.

It's about potentials and the "not support role" because "no slot" is a semantics argument that holds no weight. You play a dps/support class. Even the producer who previously mained the class agrees with this sentiment.

"Concerning the machinist, his role is similar to the bard, it's a support for the other members of the team. So, compared to other pure DPS jobs like monk or ninja, of course its DPS will be lower since they have different roles. " - Yoshi P

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ng_japan_expo/

[HeavensSword]

lmao r u serious?" blm is pew pew pew pew pew pew pew --- in fact in 2.x bard had to do a majority of the dps mechanics to let melee and blm pew pew pew bam bam bam away.

Couldn't have been that it's less of a loss for a BRD to do the mechanics, because you know, the other DPS have more to worry about when it comes to actually doing their damage. 2.x BRD could "pew pew" with near 100% upkeep, and yet you don't understand the why behind what you just said...

[Astral145]

You're never gonna DPS like a BLM, because you're #1, a support and require much less thought process than a BLM.

LOL are you serious? Show me in DF where there is DPS SUPPORT slot? BRDs and MCHs take up a DPS slot. You will only use your support skills at most 10% of the time. So the rest of time BRDs and MCHs can just hang back and shoot plastic bullets and arrows? I don't buy it. It's a cheap excuse for the devs to not want to improve the class. I'll gladly take a 45% reduction in dps while being a TP/MP battery but the rest of the time I want to be on par with blm. There is nothing wrong with wanting to hold my own in dps. There is nothing wrong with wanting to contribute to the raids success outside of being a TP/MP battery.

[Drood424]

Time to roll up my sleeves, make an appointment with the training dummy, and relearn my jobs (since I took WM and GB off my bar on day 2 or so). Overall, it seems like an improvement, but we'll see.

[Hakuohsama]

For people who are interested.
Heres my Dps after defeating turn 1. Could be still a bit higher.

http://puu.sh/iQe2e/5a814ce3ce.jpg

Burst after 1 min was still kinda funny

http://puu.sh/iQe5Z/ed9df2e8af.jpg

[Zata]

Your point would be valid if GB was given to us at lvl 30. GB/WM is handed over at level 52. The game play is very different before GB/WM. You do not get a nice boost to damage with GB/WM. However you loose a lot of mobility which puts on the same page as blm. I main blm so I know the differences. Blms have procs and scathe to help to keep damage going while on the move. I can crit up to 1200+ with scathe and procs can crit up 2k+ while on the move (lvl 54 blm). Yet GB/WM gives hardly any dps gain but your mobility is now on par with blm. DPS doesn't add up.

You dont get torrent until lv 40, you only get procts at lv 30, at lv 50 you get the second torrent at 52 you start using the stance.... since the new high lv its 60 they give you what you can manage until you get to 60

[Ryaz]

I just finished Turn 2. According to our ninja, I had the highest DPS in turn 1 and our tank was surprised when I accidentally pulled Aggro as he thought I'd be the last one to do so. I stayed in GB the whole time. So, I'd say we're in pretty good shape now.

[Chairman_Meow]

Just because you got nerfed on dps does not mean you still not a dps class. Where the heck did this support theory even come from? Just because of powerful support songs? So what? How about all the support that other dps classes give also? That people can argue they add just as much as our songs. Yet, they don't think of themselves as support. You are a dps class not support.

You probably missed the part where BRD/MCH does substantially less DPS overall than NIN/DRG/MNK/SMN/BLM even WAR/PLD/DRK (in their dps stance). Everybody but the healer. If it wasn't for the oGCD resets that BRD has then a cleric stance WHM might be pulling more dps (no actual number crunching done... but WHM does hit like a truck per hit).

I've heard this way too often. Comparing the "support" skills the other dps classes have to BRD/MCH is just asinine. You probably missed the part where BRD/MCH actually has to sacrifice their already piss poor DPS to use their support skills which has a cast time which lowers their dps even more. Battle Litney? Nah. Goad? Toss and forget. Apocatastasis? Shadewalker? Smoke Screen? Dancing Edge? Literally any "support" skill that isn't from a BRD/MCH and the healers? There's no argument here.

They are a support class. Their low DPS on top of having to lower it further more than confirms it. If they were a DPS class then SE needs to bump up their numbers to be in line with the others, remove cast time on songs, and the damage penalty. Simple as that. Even if the devs say they aren't a support their skill set proves otherwise. Saying BRDs are a DPS over a support is like saying PLDs are a healer over a tank because of Clemency.

[Ryaz]

Um... Our dps didn't get lowered. If anything, it was increased.