BRD/MCH Fixed!

[Krissey]

All I'm seeing is bad bards complaining that they aren't able to run everywhere like idiots with no reason at all.

To be ENTIRELY honest I think they are WoW hunter converts, the sort of people that complained about how there was a pet the entire time, since it's inception. They're used to the run and gun play-style, AND being top DPS or at least competitive. So when they came to a new game with a similar class with a similar play-style they were excited.

What they didn't realize is that unlike WoW this game still has a hybrid tax, and unlike WoW this isn't the Blizzard design team. Hunters were OP in WoW, at basically all times, and extremely hard to balance and always seemed to be out of the norm.

[sirDarts]

Foe Requiem requires that you have a bunch of caster dps. But what if your dps is ninjas and dragoons? It's benefit is then minimal. Also, it drains the bards MP ridiculously fast, so it can only be maintained for a few seconds per minute.

Also, if they have to be running tp/mp song, they can't run Requiem.

Well even with 1 caster in your group, it helps, and it doesn't lower your own damage as the other songs do.
But yeah, didn't know how costly it is.

[Krissey]

Foe Requiem requires that you have a bunch of caster dps. But what if your dps is ninjas and dragoons? It's benefit is then minimal. Also, it drains the bards MP ridiculously fast, so it can only be maintained for a few seconds per minute.

Also, if they have to be running tp/mp song, they can't run Requiem.

Because you aren't thinking GROUP wise. NIN+Bard+SMN+BLM = lining up cooldowns for MASSIVE burst.

NIN uses Trick Attack which increases ALL DAMAGE taken by the monster by 10%, so then the bard sings Foe Requiem and the SMN uses Deathflare and the Blackmage pops cooldowns and suddenly all those DOTS/Ruins/Fire 4's etc...hit EXCEEDINGLY hard. You have a hybrid DPS that can run and gun like the SMN, or stand still like the BLM, a melee which will benefit the from and be a benefit to the Warrior OT, it's like a dream team of massive overpowered turbo burst goodness.

[Hyunckel]

Still not going to use Gauss Barrel.
Having my autoattacks and mobility are more valuable to me.

But hey, /golfclap to those who view this as a fix.

If you value mobility over DPS, go for it.

Can't DPS if you're dead.

Black Mages would like to have a word with you.

[RichardButte]

Yes because having a cast bar is the same as being dead.

I think the whole thing will depend upon how much movement Alex will require of people, and we should know a lot more about that shortly.

[nuyu11]

I have nothing to say.. after trying it out. I'm disappointed, will swap to other class, thinking about leveling MCH but not really dare to take a bet. I'm not sure what is going on or what's wrong with it. but I feel the bard that I use now is not like what I like in previous expansion. Farewell Bard.

[Themis]

its not cast times, its the damage that BLM does , if they made the BRD/MCH damage = to that of a BLM, no one would be complaining. pretty sure its not their.. so, I don't think its as much about the cast times vs damage.

The idea behind the Minuet and Gauss Barrel skills is to exchange that mobility that they have normally for additional damage. They can still play without these stances, but their DPS won't be as high as it could be - which is different from the common thought process that not using it is a DPS loss; you can't lose what you didn't or couldn't have. Using the stance badly is a DPS loss because now you aren't keeping up that potential. Ultimately, you can decide not to use it at all in order to keep that mobility. And maybe in some scenarios that is more beneficial than using the skill - and that's fine. I think that's the intention.

In my opinion, if the damage when using it well is reasonably high given that both jobs can still provide support when under these stances (so they aren't sacrificing both mobility and utility for damage, only mobility), then there isn't much problem. So far, that seems to be the case given that players who have started to figure out the jobs are putting on good DPS.

All that is really left is for players to adapt. Change is hard for some, sure, but the game grows and develops and either players learn to adapt with it or they look for a new job/game. SE are under no obligation to maintain status quo in their game, and players should never really expect that.

[Taban]

My biggest problem is that weaving OGCD's just feels very clunky with cast times. Probably because we have so many, weaving cd's used to feel like a natural part of bards playstyle, now it just feels like the job doesn't flow and wasn't thought out well.

I miss the mobility for sure, and there's a pretty decent chance I'll be changing over to smn, but I"ll hold off the final decision for a week or two to see where we are.

[Garan]

It seems to be a common theme that people think BRDs are whining. Well, maybe we are a little bit. BUT, wouldn't you if they changed the basic way your job played? I really enjoyed the way BRD played prior to WM. Now I have to cast my skills. If I wanted to do that I would have chosen to play a BLM. I enjoyed the constant mobility we were allowed. I was fine with lower sustained DPS because I felt like I could keep up on downtimes when everyone else had to stop DPS to move. This now requires stance dancing constantly to do the same. I still plan on taking BRD to 60, but whether or not I will main it going forward is up in the air. I simply DO NOT like the changes to the CORE game play of BRD.

[Volgera]

My biggest problem is that weaving OGCD's just feels very clunky with cast times. Probably because we have so many, weaving cd's used to feel like a natural part of bards playstyle, now it just feels like the job doesn't flow and wasn't thought out well.

I miss the mobility for sure, and there's a pretty decent chance I'll be changing over to smn, but I"ll hold off the final decision for a week or two to see where we are.

If u have not started yet u're already late my friend. Almost got my SCH to 55..hope to get it to 60 by the end of the week.

What SE did to Bard was simple: Play under WM or dont play Bard. Because if u choose to not play WM your DPS is gonna be lower than your chocobo!!!

Next I'll be levelling my BLM to 60. If its for me to be a caster I'll be playing a Caster Class instead.