Just play the game....

[mysterytaru]

It's funny I bet you don't even realize that your defense applies to both sides of the argument lol. I don't want 'casual' players telling the devs to change the game in such a way that the devs are telling me what to do in terms of easy things.

Time is not the measure in this argument. Time doesn't separate the 50 LNC from the 50 ARC or CON or GLA or THM. If someone has more classes than 1 of those or any, then it's dedication that's different not time. Most of us have been playing since roughly the same time.

Asking the devs to make something more accessible is in no way the same thing as the OP telling people if they don't like being sidelined because ARC has all the dmg and none of the negatives of melee DD, maybe they should just play ARC. If you see those as being equal, then this community is in serious trouble.

[sammmmmyyy]

wow, why my post get edited ?, i dont even know what i typed now, will they send me a PM ?

[RathSkybreaker]

DId someone really say that time isn't a part of difficulty? A long fight is either hard or the mob is just really annoying and has too much HP.. we have no fights right now that take long and are over the top difficult (though that will probably change around 1.19-->1.20) yet people are still complaining; can't wait to see what will happen when AV or something of the like is introduced.. people will wdf charles and cry to their moms..

[IStolzI]

Exactly.. if 20% of casual players can blow by "content in easymode" in 2 weeks.. the other 80% (of casual players) will blow by it in half the time (where did this come from?) then what? 50% of the 20% (the slow 20% of 'casual' players only) clear it in a week (wouldn't this make them part of the 80% that do it in a week? Or should I say now, 90%?)which leaves 10% of casual players left doing content for another week while the 100% of the 80%(why not just say 90%?) have nothing to do cept move to another game. Unless SE can pump out content at a really fast pace every week...

Well at the end of all the retarded math, i gotta say, you implied 90% of "casual" players finish the content in a week. Considering I get much more than 10% of my ls still asking for toto, let alone denizen, ima have to call BS.

Sounds like a grinder/hardcore player lying to himself about how much he plays the game, pretending he's "casual" for a self esteem boost.

[Bled]

QQ about QQ = QQsquared

There is no point in posting about other peoples complaints when you yourself are complaining.. there is nothing constructive here.

EDIT: O and the amount of forum QQ these days is nothing compared to, i don't know say 3 months ago.

[Raze]

I, for one, find girls named Sarah attractive and I think all her ideas are super awesome.

If OP is a man, please reverse my opinion.

[SniperRifle]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...FakeDifficulty
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../FakeLongevity

Where, anywhere, in my post did I mention time = difficulty? Please. Is this some indirect way of asking me to call you a moron? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you made a moronic act, and are not actually a moron.

Also way to quote Layton w/o giving credit to him.

Plagiarism

I won't stray off topic. Regardless of whether something is long, or short... The skill required to beat it is not determined by the person beating it but the person who designed the thing. Yes, some 10 minute WoW boss battles took skill... The Impossible Game is a 90second game on XBL/iPhones and it requires immense focus and practice to beat. And fights like RDM solo'ing Seiryu and other NMs which took long, long, long, long periods of time took skill. (Whether short difficulty or long difficulty is a better way to gauge skill is COMPLETELY speculation (im looking at you mysterytaru)) And if short (time length) is, FOR EXAMPLE, the better way to gauge skill... How short is too short? Does that mean something that requires 1 millisecond to do that is hard to do the best way to gauge skill? This technically would go under retardedly fast reaction time skills, not retardedly long mental endurance skills which would be under some of the more impressive RDM solo fights.

The point is if something requires skill, it requires skill, if it doesn't require a lot of skill, it doesn't require a lot of skill, if it requires no skill, someone whos done it 1billion times would have the same outcome as someone whos done it their first time. You'll find the majority of things in life take skill to master, but somethings are easy to pick up, and some take time. People are slapping labels on difficulty/skill/time...

The OP's original post had nothing to do w/ time vs skill vs difficulty. It had to do with the annoying forum goers whining that an incomplete game is broken and they can't clear the first piece of real content as fast as people who live and breath excellence. The games going to be updated/fix't/patched/touched up regardless, saying the content needs to be fixed is just redundant when the game still has major mechanic changes to go through.

However, truthfully, I believe (my own speculation) that even if the game is completely balanced/fair, people will still moan and groan and QQ and pollute the forums. It's inevitable. Simply just enjoying the game is out of the question for some people.

[AmyRae]

Also way to quote Layton w/o giving credit to him.

You want to accuse me of plagiarism while you rip-off a photographer's photo in your sig. Nice hypocrisy.

The OP's original post had nothing to do w/ time vs skill vs difficulty.

Except the parts where he said it had to do with time vs skill vs difficulty. As in those who "put in their time" should require less skill and difficulty to achieve endgame accomplishments than those who don't.

It had to do with the annoying forum goers whining that an incomplete game is broken and they can't clear the first piece of real content as fast as people who live and breath excellence. The games going to be updated/fix't/patched/touched up regardless, saying the content needs to be fixed is just redundant when the game still has major mechanic changes to go through.

How I can I argue with this? You're acknowledging that the game is broken, needs fixing, but those who complain about it don't live and "breath" (or maybe you meant breathe) excellence? Clearly, words of reason are wasted on you.

So I apologize for sending you those links. I made the mistake of thinking you might care to understand the problem, but it seems your only interest is letting hardcore players lord over their incredible time-wasting over the rest of us as though that's all that matters in a game.

I don't have a problem with hardcore players. There are some really nice people in their ranks. I don't mind activities designed to keep them entertained. But if this game has a casual path, they can't design all endgame content around having a half-dozen rank 50 classes leveled to accomplish anything. That goes against what this game was designed to do from the beginning, and it's perfectly valid to remind SE of that.

[weeble]

i don't think classes should be equal in a pve game, all classes have there uses, they should be made for party play not solo, thus gotta be equal in all ways. if u'r too weak, u should have another player with, if u'r healer u should be with others, if u'r squishy u should be with healers.

as for pvp though i don't believe in any of this, i don't even think pvp games should have healer classes, in fact i hate the idea that in most cases one class can kill a specific class. pvp all classes should have tactics and they all should be able to win in a fight.

if u wanted a merit machine in ffxi, go level brd ..to lazy too or don't like it oh well don't complain bout the slower exp rate, or the no invites. and that is my opinion on the subject.

[Stockapotapoulos]

i don't think classes should be equal in a pve game, all classes have there uses, they should be made for party play not solo, thus gotta be equal in all ways. if u'r too weak, u should have another player with, if u'r healer u should be with others, if u'r squishy u should be with healers.

as for pvp though i don't believe in any of this, i don't even think pvp games should have healer classes, in fact i hate the idea that in most cases one class can kill a specific class. pvp all classes should have tactics and they all should be able to win in a fight.

if u wanted a merit machine in ffxi, go level brd ..to lazy too or don't like it oh well don't complain bout the slower exp rate, or the no invites. and that is my opinion on the subject.

You totally remind me of my grandfather. He was always one of those people who sees younger folk, and he immediately starts to go off.

"Look at those whippersnappers in the plastic bag pants, listening to that loud music. They got it so easy. Back in the day, we used to work hard for everything we got..."

And he went on and on.

I can imagine your reaction to somebody soloing.

"Look at those whippersnappers soloing in FFXIV. They got it so easy. Back in the day, I had to wait eight hours to find a party or spend hours and hours looking for that healer. And when we finally found a healer, someone had to go! And we'd spend more hours trying to find people. And then when we found someone to replace someone, someone else had to go! And we just disbanded and called it a night. You kids got it too easy. And don't even get me started with tanks. I remember yelling at this little kid, 'cause he didn't have a /NIN sub, even though /MNK subs were still viable in the 30s, but that doesn't matter! All elite tanks use the /NIN sub, so I must find an elite tank! And don't even get me started with equipment, sonny. Who cares if it takes you like six months to farm for that armor piece that's going to last you maybe five levels. You don't want to do that? You're lazy. Kids are so lazy these days. We had to work so hard to get ours!"

Ahh. That's my grand daddy for you. Good times.

Anyway, I see we're on the same server, Weeble. Maybe you can give me that same speech as I run by soloing Marmots and Dodos!